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posted By Kleenex, 9 May 2009 9:56:00 PM
There were several plays in that game that cost the Mavericks a W. Denver is the better team. If you want to be angry, be angry at Antoine Wright for not continuing to defend, and just staring Melo while he shot a dagger into your beloved Mavs.
posted By dan, 9 May 2009 9:56:53 PM
boo hoo bill. if melo had missed the shot it would have been a great no call. nuggets are a much better team then the mavs get over yourself
posted By Bill Ingram, 9 May 2009 10:02:05 PM
It's not about me. A loss is a loss. Dallas loses, Boston loses, whatever. The statement is the issue. Everyone knows the call was missed. To make a statement without taking corrective action is ludicrous - no matter who the teams involved are.
posted By Reza, 9 May 2009 10:03:41 PM
Stop crying... If Melo missed the shot you would be singing a completely different tune
posted By SB, 9 May 2009 10:18:20 PM
I'm still in shock. How could the refs miss that call? How can this happen in a 2-0 Game 3 of the playoffs? How can the NBA not do anything about it? It's a disgrace.
posted By Chase, 9 May 2009 10:20:17 PM
You retards are being completley moronic. All Bill is saying is that the NBA fails to take correct action, aka Rafer Alston getting the same suspension as Fisher. The Nuggets are the better team, but the guy isn't crying about anything. I hate both teams in the series, but the call still bothered me. (Or no call)
posted By Bruce, 9 May 2009 10:26:00 PM
Bill it wasn't any obvious foul, Wright just bumped Melo, nothing more than that, if Wright really wanted to foul him, he would've have just wrapped him to keep him from shooting the ball. That is exactly what you do when a player drives to the basket, why not do that from behind the 3pt line when you have foul to give at the end of a crucial game? Face it, Wright screwed up not the refs, this is coming from someone who isn't a fan of either team, so I have nothing to gain from this comment. Wright had a chance when Melo fumbled the ball at the beginning of the play, so there were at least two chances to wrap Melo up, but Wright didn't do it.
posted By dan, 9 May 2009 10:27:07 PM
Are you kidding me? Are you seriously suggesting that the correct course of action is a "do-over" of the last 0:01 of play, two days from now? that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard!
posted By That'sLaughable, 9 May 2009 10:42:36 PM
Far be for me to agree with bill Ingram, but he's spot on with this. These types of game changing blown calls is dominating the postseason like never before. Suspension Watch. This non call. This is right up there with the nba refusing to penalize Rondo for his thug-like tactics. Just foolish and diminishes the league.
posted By Bill Ingram, 9 May 2009 10:44:04 PM
Chase - exactly. Exactly! Ron Artest is ejected, possibly costing Houston a game. Stu Jackson later fines Kobe for the foul that was missed, but how does that help Houston or even penalize Kobe? The NBA needs to seriously look at the consistency of their calls and penalties, as well as the way they go about taking corrective action.
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 May 2009 11:05:00 PM
Dan - It's been done, recently. The Hawks and HEAT replayed the finish of a game last year.
posted By Dave, 9 May 2009 11:06:46 PM
Bill, while I understand your logic for replaying the last 3 (not 1)seconds of the game. I think it would set a terrible precedent, essentially you are saying that every other missed/bad call leading up the to the final seconds doesn't matter? I would disagree with that assertion, I think instead of opening up pandora's box, maybe they should look into adding another referee to the crew. I think that call was missed because the closest ref to the play appeared to have his vision partially blocked by the back of Anthony's body. Perhaps another ref. on the floor would have been able to clearly make that call? I'm in agreement with you on the NBA improving it's consistency on their calls and penalties, but replaying the last 3 seconds of this game is not a good solution.
posted By Dave, 9 May 2009 11:09:49 PM
Jason - That game was replayed because the official scorer ruled incorrectly that Shaquille O'neal fouled out of that game with 52 seconds left. To me that's completely different, it wasn't an error made during the fast paced action of the game. It was an error made by the official scorer, which should never happen. imho
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 May 2009 11:10:00 PM
Good point Dave - that was about something that was not a judgment call. It would set some kind of precedent, like you said, that I'm sure everyone would rather just avoid. Which goes back to Bill's point - that I agree with - why even bother?
posted By Bill Ingram, 9 May 2009 11:10:41 PM
Jason - that, of course, is what I was basing the suggestion on. And Bruce - I actually like the idea of extended use of replay better than another ref . . .but SOMETHING needs to be done.
posted By that'sLaughable, 9 May 2009 11:10:57 PM
Artest was booted because after his first T he continued advancing to Kobe in an aggressive manner. Ref had no choice due to it being Ron Artest and all.
That still pales in comparison to the Rondo missed calls.
posted By John in Burbank, 9 May 2009 11:12:42 PM
Bill,
I disagree. There were easily 35 fouls called in this game that I would not have called at all. That play consisted of two shoulder to chest bumps over the course of about 6 steps, and though he swiped at him, Wright never made any other contact with Melo. In addition, the way he threw up his arms made it look like he was trying to avoid contact. Just wrapped him up. Done. Foul. Just because someones intent is to foul isn't enough....they need to actually foul. Also, probably not a good idea to give up on the play and stand by idly watching a guy with more game winners than Kobe or Lebron seal your fate. Just a thought.
posted By That'sLaughable, 9 May 2009 11:27:31 PM
Good to see the nba continuing their kissing up to the celtics. Perkins elbowed Pietrus in the throat. And lo and behold. Stu Jackson decides it's in the context of the basketball play. So no suspension. Celtics should bring brass knuckles and machetes out to games. They can't get in trouble for anything!
posted By PY, 9 May 2009 11:43:12 PM
Most of you guys just form an opinion based on how it effect your teams. Incredible! The refs blew it, but they wasn't the only ones who got that play wrong. Wright bumped Melo and expected a call, he didn't continue to play defense and payed for it. Wright fouled him at the right time, he waited until Melo made a offensive move, he just should of wrapped him up. In the refs defense, they don't want to make a call that will decide the game and that bump, although intentional, wasn't much of a foul. That's the kind of foul that might not get called in the last seconds of a game if you didn't know it was intentional.
posted By No Blood No Foul, 9 May 2009 11:54:14 PM
Bill, there's no way to correct a bad call without correcting them all. Anderson received a call for goal tending that was non-existent, and those two points would have made the difference in the final score. The only difference between that bad call and the bad no call was timing. While it's comfortable and convenient to say that the last bad call would have made a difference, the truth is that fixing any one of the numerous bad calls or non calls would impact the game. News flash - humans aren't perfect. The refs missed a call, but so what? That's how it happens EVERY game.
posted By gates, 9 May 2009 11:55:32 PM
things are out of control since rondo hit miller than tried to kill kirk and not suspended. this is becoming a circus. a fixed boring hollywood movie that you can guess what will happen every year. but this is american style, this is our style, we don't love competetion. all we love is some drama and a foreseeble ending.
posted By That'sLaughable, 10 May 2009 12:07:02 AM
Exactly gates. Ever since the nba gave the two vicious actions by Rondo a pass, it's been nothing short of a disaster.
posted By Copernicus, 10 May 2009 12:07:25 AM
These calls and these responses is why and how the NBA loses intelligent and successful fans. Sure, the controversy will keep the kids talking. But the folks who pay the bills - who have the means to buy luxury boxes and courtside seats - will simply lose interest and find better things to do with their money. The NBA has to choose, do they put out a smart product that isn't completely transparent to the fan who possesses intellect and reason, or do they continue to hold the position that management and their beloved officials on the court are always right, even when they're wrong?
Terrible. Just terrible.
posted By Derek (Palm Beach, FL), 10 May 2009 12:09:00 AM
League credibility is at an all-time low.
There are prefered matchups that the league is pushing on us for revenue purposes only.
How else do you explain Rondo knocking another player's teeth out and not even receiving a flagrant? How else do you explain Rondo slinging an opposing table into the scorer's table and not getting suspended (when a less vicious play cost Robert Horry 2 games)? How else do you explain Dwight Howard & Rafer Alston connecting above the shoulders and consequently receiving suspensions according to the NBA "letter of the law" approach, while Perkins connects above the shoulders and is left open to interpretation? How else do you explain the ref's blatantly missing relatively severe fouls consistently that alter the outcome of games while also nit-picking over handcheck fouls that continually result in a parade to the free-throw line?
This post-season is one of the most disgusting displays of bias/favoritism I have ever witnessed.
If it continues down this dark road, my love for this game may be forever tarnished, and irreparably damaged.
posted By Andy, 10 May 2009 12:09:02 AM
Yes wrong calls are made every game. What makes this different is that the NBA made an OFFICIAL STATEMENT regarding the missed call. What is the point of making the statement and not doing anything about it? The NBA was stupid in release the statement.
posted By andrew, 10 May 2009 12:30:05 AM
The nba doesn't want boston in the finals. They would be swept. They want lebron vs kobe 7 games
posted By Josh Hopp, 10 May 2009 12:41:22 AM
Surely Bill you could concede that Wright's action was not clearly a foul. It probably was one, but for god's sake why not foul him properly? It's the easiest thing in the world to do. For Wright to say he didn't want to "dereck fisher" it was equally stupid; you don't have to shoulder charge a guy to get a foul called. Just wrap him up! Wright is a moron, this is on HIM. Oh and let's not forget Melo's swished 3.
posted By That'sLaughable, 10 May 2009 1:16:30 AM
No isht Andrew. However the league clearly wants BOS vs. CLE in the ECF's.
posted By John, 10 May 2009 1:23:40 AM
C'mon. If Melo did not make that shot, the Mavs wouldn't be barking about this. Look at the replays after Wright bumps Melo, Carlisle and Wrights hands go up to signify "no contact". When Melo made the shot, that's when they started to complain. Geez.
posted By mike, 10 May 2009 2:06:39 AM
the refs have kinda taken some fun out of the playoffs. i hope actions are taken agaginst the officials for not preforming up to standards. they are picked out of a group of officials to ref the playoffs, these are suppose to be the "best of the best". NBA refs= BS
posted By Rob, 10 May 2009 3:22:54 AM
I think you're totally wrong Bill. I'm watching the game live on my computer in Sweden, around midnight and I felt that in the second half the refs had no control whatsoever. Birdman complain about a terrible GT call and then gets called for a quick over the back joke (which NEVER got called on Bass..)Andersen got fouled out ALL calls made by Salvatore the ref he barked at, they need to look at that instead. Melo still gets NO respect from the refs even though he's clearly the second best offensive player in the world, only Mamba and Melo with the complete package on the offensive end. I felt all calls where going Mavs way except the last B.S foul. I hope Kmart kicks that --- Cubans ass for yelling at his mom. Cuban is a good owner but he's still gay
posted By qw, 10 May 2009 3:43:39 AM
it's something similar to what happened back in 2004 when mark madsen was fouling shaq in front of the ref but the ref wasn't calling anything. madsen had his arms around shaq and yelling at the ref. even shaq was saying he's being fouled but no call was made.
posted By WTF?, 10 May 2009 4:05:33 AM
I agree with Ingram here. I could care less who wins this particular series, but the reality of this year's postseason is that the officiating has been HORRIBLE!!! The NBA needs an all inclusive instant replay system, and the refs need to enforce the same set of rules in April and May as they do in October and November. No more of this "well, that's playoff basketball" crap. It's so bogus, and the little credibility the league had left is now gone. When does college football season start? I can at least watch that until the BCS crap starts.
posted By Joe, 10 May 2009 4:40:55 AM
I'm not a Mavericks fan, but that was still not fair. As a matter of principle, let the NBA know that some corrective action needs to be taken and that the integrity of the league is shattered. Please write:
http://www.nba.com/email_us/contact_us.html
posted By Pig, 10 May 2009 8:58:32 AM
NBA needs to lose hand checkind and soft calls..everybody likes physical play ..oh and we desperately need new refs
posted By Bill Ingram, 10 May 2009 9:51:52 AM
My biggest complaint is that the refs shouldn't be the story. Birdman shouldn't be allowed to put the hammer on people in Denver and then get called for every touch foul in Dallas. I don't care which way you call it, but call it the same way every time. The calls around Yao Ming in the Portland series were the same. Joel and Oden could mug him at certain times, and at certain times every touch was a foul. And listen, I'm at the majority of the Mavs' games. I know Denver is the better team. There's no question about that. The question is whether or not the NBA should take corrective action regarding a mistake they went to the trouble to openly admit they made.
posted By MadPoet, 10 May 2009 11:08:41 AM
The bottom line is that the NBA needs to come up with a way to implement instant replay on controversial calls/non-calls without unduly slowing the game. I'd suggest giving each team's coach two replays which could be demanded at any time during the game in order to review a call/non-call. That seems enough to prevent 99% of game-altering mistakes, but also few enough so that coach's only use them when prudent. Just my two cents.
posted By Bill Ingram, 10 May 2009 11:52:20 AM
Great suggestion . . .like the NFL. Head coach can call for a replay on, say, 2 plays each in a given game. Maybe one more for OT.
posted By Graig, 10 May 2009 12:28:31 PM
Like Derek said above, you can basically guess in who's favor the call, or no-call, is going to go, based on which team is more popular and would create greater revenue for the NBA. The league will get an eastern conference final of BOS vs. CLE and western conference final of LAL vs DEN even if it kills someone.
posted By Thank you, 10 May 2009 12:51:04 PM
I co-sign with Bruce. Also, give Melo some credit for hitting a clutch game winner. If he missed they would've said good job Antoine Wright for not fouling.
posted By Moolah, 10 May 2009 12:58:46 PM
I agree with John, Bruce, That'sLaughable. I think karma is biting the league in the ass for handling, no, ignoring the whole Rondo fiasco completely. The guy should've been suspend, straight up. Now the league looks stupid when they suspend/eject players for less.
posted By PY, 10 May 2009 2:34:02 PM
Guys, stop bring up the Rondo fouls(or flagrants) as if they relate to every bad call from there on out. Sure, it may be an example of the inconsistencies of the league's flagrant foul rulings but it has nothing to do with this Denver/Dallas thing. Everyone is talking like the league is now cursed due to those Rondo plays. I'm been thinking that instant replay may be needed in the league for a couple of years now. I'm with "MadPoet", coaches gets 2 per game or 1 per half that they couldn't carry over so not to stock pile them for the end of the game. That could work. Also, I don't see where replay would've helped in this matter. How could a coach ask for a replay so they can argue that a foul should have been called on his own team? That just doesn't seem quite right.
posted By Max Eisenhardt, 10 May 2009 6:10:55 PM
JA Adande of EPSN.com put on a good comment about this (another NBA officiating) issue:
"It wasn't as atrocious as it's being made out to be. If you're taking the foul, wrap up Melo so there's no doubt. Wright barely tapped Melo, then threw his hands in the air, which is the symbol for "I didn't touch him." "
Watch the replays on YouTube guys. Wright looks as if he first wanted a reach-in foul be called, be when Anthony got up and put on the 3-ball, he immediately raised his hands.
It's like he's really saying "I didn't touch him" or "I didn't do it."
He wants to foul but was afraid the refs will call a shooting foul. If that was the case, Anthony would have to shoot 3 free throws and could have also iced the game.
He should have made an obvious but not over the top foul so the refs will call it.
It's the playoffs for pete's sake! The refs will not call a "not so obvious" foul specially at the dying moments of a crucial game wherein that foul might decide the outcome.
Thanks ^_^;
posted By John in Burbank, 10 May 2009 11:19:15 PM
That, my friends is why you never let the refs(umps, officials,judges,etc...)decide the game. You just keep playing till the whistle blows. Give the Nuggets credit for Stick-to-it-ive-ness. I watched the game in Cali with a bunch of Lakers and three Cavs fans and every single person in the bar was yelling at the refs the whole second half for calling EVERYTHING in favor of the Mavs, except me the lone Nuggets fan. Me, I prefer a fast, physical game. All the touch fouls, and flopping bores me. If I wanted to watch bad acting I watch a daytime soap on Telemundo or Liverpool vs. Man U. The Mavs need to man up and WIN the game not blame the refs for every loss. Denver wins in 4.
posted By Bill Ingram, 10 May 2009 11:50:29 PM
That's my response every time someone blames the refs. Again, my problem isn't with the call so much as the statement. Never let yourself be in a situation where the refs can determine the outcome. They'll screw it up more often than not.
posted By Jason (Dallas), 11 May 2009 2:03:05 PM
Wow Bill, I just lost all respect I had for you as a writer.
First off, technically speaking, a foul may have been committed, which is why I think the league issued the statement it issued. I personally did not like the statement either, myself.
However, Dallas has no one to blame but themselves. The game of basketball is a bang bang type of sport, and the refs do the best job they can at seeing the action in front of them. First off, the supposed foul from Wright occurred with the ref behind Melo and not in clear view of the hack. Second, as soon as Wright reached in, he pulled his arms back and raised them in the air, a universal symbol for "I didn't foul him". Third, the ref was clearly looking at Melo's feet to ensure that a 3 pointer was being taken.
If Wright wanted to intentially foul, bear hug Melo and make the ref call the foul. Don't assume that the ref knows that you are going to foul their, TELL HIM you are going too! Dallas has no one to blame but themselves.
You cannot reply part of a game. The fact of the matter is Melo still had to make the shot in pressure. Give credit where credit is due. Shame on you Bill.
posted By Bill Ingram, 11 May 2009 3:33:48 PM
LOL . . .everyone who disagrees with you loses all respect. Nature of the business.
posted By DAVIDSTERNISANIDIOT, 12 May 2009 11:57:00 AM
TO me this is the last straw...Basketball is a great sport but these refs have tarnished the image for. I love Michael Jordan and to me he is the best player ever but when you realize that it calls where made againts him like they were for other...he would have been great...not the greatest....you watch games and on every possesions he travels....or turns the ball over in his hands and cause his Michael Jordan it's a no call. I've watch so many games where referees calls leads to a different outcome whether it happens at the end of the game or maybe a pivotla moments in the late thrid quarter. No longer will I watch a game where refs can dictate the outcome of the game and when players like lets say Ron Artest get's fouled most of the time there is no call....but if you breathe wrong on that rapists he gets a foul call...Kobe get's so many non calls that whenever he loses the ball or misses the lay up he looks at the ref like Hey...I didn't miss that....JUST PATHETIC>>>BUT YOU EXPECT THIS FROM THESE KINDS OF PEOPLE>>>U KNOW>>>IDIOTS>>>STERN>>>>THAT's who thinks the NHL is a league where he simple implements the same crap Stern did....but then again Stern did get him the job/////but that's the problem when you put these little men with no scrodum in positions of power...they were always the nerds who got punked and now they feel like they got retribution but they are are stil losers....rich overpaid losers that constantly give themshleves raise like that Bud Selig idiots who now raised his salary over $15 million a year...pretty pathetic...to me all these athletes will be judge harshely on Judgement day as they wasnte they money...
posted By BS that's all it is, 12 May 2009 12:01:00 PM
Just look at the Tampa Bay Lightning...at least Dallas has a chance to win another game. Calgary a few years ago won the Staney cup in Game 6 and they got screwed by Sterns cronie David Bettman but I'm sure if it was vice versa the US teams would have cried and rememver this aint' no secon dround match up...it was the final..that goal won them the champioship and then they got scrwed...it has fingerprints of those people...you know STERN and BETTMAN////you know idiots...that's why he is always after MArk Cuban cause he represent the cooler kid that used to punk David Stern off as a kid...this is his way of getting back at the bullies...I just keep praying that you get fired or lose your job...but then again you are way better than Bud Selig...but that ain't saying much
posted By NBASUCKS, 12 May 2009 12:12:37 PM
You wanna watch b-ball...watch college or even a rec league and the you will get better basketball than the NBA. All leagues have refs and they make mistakes but there is no other game except for maybe baseball when a ref can totally change the game with his call or lack thereof. It's like watching a superstar play...for example Michael Jordan like another reader mentioned. He probably would have averages at least 10 turnovers a game if they called it properly on him which i agree with. Or fo example Chris Bosh who gets' calls but when he plays againts Dwight Howards it's like what the hell is going on...no respect...this is the problem...I think they should have two refs on the court and two off the court and they have different angles and they are watching the game too but if there is a iffy situation they could call over to the refs....and if they are wathcing it I'm sure they could do it pretty fast instead of having an in game ref review it on the sidelines.
posted By Cynthia, 17 May 2009 1:21:10 PM
I am a MAVS fan. And the point isn't how Wright made the foul...the point is he fouled Anthony and the refs didn't call it. I was at the game. Saw it with my own 2 eyes. Even Dirk said after the game he wished the league hadn't made the statement that the call was missed. What the hell was the point of that? They are basically saying we F'd up, we are admitting it and we're not gonna do a damn thing about it. The only thing that damn statement did is confirm to all of us who already knew that the league is rigged/fixed/crooked/call it whatever you like.....they now openly admit it and STILL WE (the league) AREN'T GONNA DO A DAMN THING ABOUT IT. And whether you're a MAVS fan or not...you gotta believe that the league wants Lebron and Kobe in the finals....(hell, they even have puppet commercials about it now!) and the league gets just EXACTLY what it wants. The other teams in the NBA can be dammned for all they care.
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