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posted By Neil T., 4 July 2009 11:00:42 AM
Toronto will 100% figure out a sign and trade for Hedo, BC has promised Marion from the begining that he would help him out with a sign and trade. Also, the Raptors would not be able to afford anyone if they didn't figure out a sign and trade because they would lose the MLE.
Marion to Orland is official...BOOK IT!
posted By CSG, 4 July 2009 12:20:18 PM
Is the Marion to Orlando thing true or is it just an idea? Also, Magic shouldn't and wouldn't get nate. He is not a championship player and I would hate to see him run point off the bench. Better off with AJ. Also, even with Marion, who will backup Dwight? That is very important.
posted By Blaze the Trail Cat, 4 July 2009 12:20:46 PM
Can't we also sign a player who has already agreed to a contract as well, Mr. Kyler?
posted By snake, 4 July 2009 12:21:24 PM
..."overly sensitive to where they live"...Are you "overly sensitive" to living in the U.S. ??? We are the center of the universe only in our own minds.
It's easy to see why a Muslim family would prefer raising children in Canada to the U.S.
posted By snake eater, 4 July 2009 12:42:07 PM
give me a break dude. Hedo's dumbass wife didn't even set foot in Portland, have you ever been to Portland?
posted By blazer fan, 4 July 2009 1:11:29 PM
What are idiots blind ,it didnt say Marion to orlando it said a sign and trade through Orlando and the final destination is Portland. NOW BOOK THAT!
posted By jpintor, 4 July 2009 2:56:57 PM
Marion is just 6'7 and not 6'10..
posted By Steve Kyler, 4 July 2009 2:58:16 PM
The only players that can ink contracts now are drafted or undrafted rookies - the rest must wait until July 8th... so until some one is physically signed Portland can get in the mix with anyone - the question is how many would go back on their agreements? - Thats fairly rare... Keep in mind the "reports" that Hedo agreed to terms in Portland did not come from Hedo, they came from one source in Portland that jumped the gun and several others ran with it...
posted By Rudy's P.R. Guy, 4 July 2009 4:20:45 PM
gee, that sounds familiar. One source "reporting" something and you media guys running with it.
posted By TDotDizzle, 4 July 2009 4:29:24 PM
Marion might be 6'7 but he easily grabs 5+ more rebounds than Turk on any given night... dumb move by the Raptors. Not to mention it's a contract that's 4 yrs too long - do you think Bosh is really going to want to stay and play with Turk as the next go-to guy when he could be playing with Bron, Wade etc? Give me a break.
Might as well flush this season down the sh*tter.
posted By murph, 4 July 2009 7:08:04 PM
Mr Kyler, hoopsworld is a hellhole of dishonesty. You write that 'some outlets ran with the Hedo-to-Portland' story:
what the hell is THIS?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13177
this is YOU running with it.YOU pretended you had insight.YOU failed to credit the 'outlet' that 'broke' it. And then YOU pretended to break another story on the Magic that by all respectable accounts is 100 percent false. Do you guys have no shame?
posted By michael, 4 July 2009 7:51:23 PM
Steve, why would the Blazers want Lee or Millsap when the already have a starting PF who plays 35 mins a night??? Me no understand!!
posted By Toolatecrew, 4 July 2009 8:26:37 PM
Why did memphis go after Zach when they ARE "LOADED AT EVERY POSITION"? pLEASE LET ME KNOW
posted By PY..............the real one, 4 July 2009 8:42:48 PM
MR. SKYLER...i love HW and always come here but lets not pretend your writers have a great knowledge of the game. And lets not pretend you have any inside knowledge. All you do is copy what other people say in their papers or what ESPN ays. I like this iste because it is all in one place but don't insult other sites for things that you also do. VEry hypocritical! When you start breaking news stories instead of being a straight blogging re-printer...you may gain some more respect from the commenters. I repeat that I still love the site.
posted By eric john, 4 July 2009 10:13:45 PM
Hoopsworld has broken plenty of stories as the original source... Plus the writers based in NBA cities have extensive knowledge of that particular team, to the very least of letting us know what a team/player may prolly be thinking, or otherwise what they think will happen, which is still much more times right on, rather than wrong. Its part of the business, you want early confirmations, you got to accept the risk of it being rethought or wrong.
posted By hmmm..., 4 July 2009 10:59:40 PM
I absolutely agree with PY, this site is great because everything for every team is all right here on one site together. Some writer here do have some good insight, others do not (Joel Brigham for example is great when it comes to the Bulls, he should not, however, comment on any other team). Mr. Kyler likes very much to insult the collective IQ of his readers, and that is probably the most aggravating thing here. It's all a catch 22 though. He's very good at spinning things around so he always comes out on top, no matter what the situation is. I would suggest that he try to get a writer from every NBA city so they can really focus on one team. Don't have guys doing double or triple duty. I very much enjoy being able to converse with the writers, and for the most part, they are very humble and appreciative, informative, and above all, more than willing to talk to the casual fan. I can understand Mr. Kyler being overly protective of his site, but he needs to not lose sight of the fact that this site wouldn't be nearly as successful without its readers.
posted By I agree with hmmmmmmm, 5 July 2009 4:29:29 AM
This site would be much better with a writer for each team. Is this possible? does it cost too much? Each writer knows as much about there team as any person I've met. However......they seem to know absolutely nothing about their competitors. Seriously...there lack of knowledge of teams such as the Hawks (nearly a 50 win team) is a disgrace for a site which claims to be the best thing since sliced bread.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 6:26:28 AM
"a hellhole of dishonesty" - hardly... but you are gonna beleive what you want to beleive... The problem is a large majority of you do not read what is written... the report you sourced said exactly this "According to various reports the Portland Trail Blazers have agreed to terms with Orlando Magic free agent Hedo Turkoglu"... Various reports, meaning too many to mention.... but don;t pay attention to the details, it does not fit the story your selling.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 6:31:59 AM
"but lets not pretend your writers have a great knowledge of the game." ---- again your so quick to hate, you want to beleive we're sitting in the basement making crap up... thats simply not the case... ask around... there is a reason our guys are on radio and television around the league, there is a reason we have a list as long as my arm of writers that want to write for us - but again, that does not fit the story you want to tell...
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 6:36:25 AM
ON having a writer in every market - we used to have that or pretty close to it - however thats an expense thats simply too massive to justify - no one does that not ESPN, not Sports Illustrated no one... its simply too expensive... add to that, its my experience that certain markets simply do not draw - we have had excellent writers in certain markets and they simply do not move the needle... as for the belief that our people don't know their opposing markets thats not true at all - but thats also why we have relationships with guys like Sekou Smith one of the best in the business... Having a body there doesn't always translate to better information - we've tried that.
posted By Turkish fan, 5 July 2009 6:37:13 AM
I understand Hedo's and his wifes's decision. Toronto is not only a multi cultural place, but also one of the three destinations in North America that has a direct flight to Istanbul, Hedo's hometown (the others are NYC and Chicago). If he had gone to Portland, it would have taken at leeast 6-7 hours more for him to get to Turkey. This is not only important for his family and parents but also for the Turkish National Basketball team. Hedo will be playing in Euro 2009-Poland and World Championship in 2010 which will be held in Turkey. So he won't need to take a 20 hour trip to join the national team, instead a 10 hour direct flight from Toronto, sounds good-go Hedo
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 6:42:33 AM
"Mr. Kyler likes very much to insult the collective IQ of his readers," - Hardly, I spend a lot of my time trying to explain how things work - not only to you, but to others in the field - guys like Larry Coon has become icons of the game because the system we live in is complex, and the complexity drives decisions.... the name of the game for us is putting out the information, we want to be accurate and honest with what we do, we openly engage in feedback like this because each reader is important to us - do you think my guys want to deal with insults like some of the one here? - NO, but I require this, because it building a relationship between us... are we going to be wrong, absolutely... we do not control the action or the information... I spend my day talking to people about basketball, I then in turn share as much of that information as I can with you... I do not know everyone in the business, but I'll put my Rolodex against anyone in the league.
posted By LOL @ Skyler, 5 July 2009 7:58:32 AM
They were good responses and valid points.....although i do disagree about the writers having sufficient knowledge outside there own team. But neither do most people. BUT PLEASE TELL ME YOU DIDN'T SAY "MEMPHIS WERE LOADED AT EVERY POSITION". There's lack of knowledge but that's just Laughable.
posted By D-rak, 5 July 2009 8:14:43 AM
WOW, Steve's even here on a holiday giving you guys your fix and still no respect. he knows more about the cap then most GM's
can anyone name me a writer that works harder to bring fans closer to the NBA?This site is successfull enough where he could sit at home and watch highlights, like the rest of the writers and then report,OH and then they will sit an debate and chat on a daily basis. how much has Steve (HW) charged you for this? i got an idea go pay to be an INSIDER AND THEN SEE HOW YOU FEEL!
THANKS STEVE I have enjoyed Basketball so much more since ive been a HOOPSWORLD reader.I hope you had a good 4th! Bill, Jason,Eric and Travis also
posted By American Fan, 5 July 2009 1:25:41 PM
Hedo's wife is stupid...and a gold digger. Hedo is whipped. End of story.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 4:15:24 PM
Memphis is loaded at every position - why is this so hard to accept - Mike Conley was one of the best point guards in the league after the coaching change... OJ Mayo was phenomenal as a rookie, Rudy gay is a borderline All-Star... Hakim Warrick averaged 11 points and 5 rebounds... and Marc Gasol was one of the best rookies in the class... they are not starting D-Leaguers - they have a ton of talent that needs quality coaching.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 4:44:30 PM
I also want to clear something up - there seems to be a misunderstanding of something I wrote in a comment about the Turkoglu thing - "Keep in mind the "reports" that Hedo agreed to terms in Portland did not come from Hedo, they came from one source in Portland that jumped the gun and several others ran with it..." - I am in no way condemning anyone for running that story - Henry Abbott from ESPN broke it, and I'll take anything Henry writes to the bank - he's is tops in my book, one of my absolute favorite guys in the business - that said, just as we have been burned by information coming too fast or changes in direction - my comment was more about, Don't Kill Turkoglu than condemning anyone who ran it - it's not like he was out celebrating that he had a deal with Portland than hosed them, in fact he spoke with John Denton last night and was pretty remorseful about how the whole thing when down and feels terrible how it played out... we're all in such a hurry to beat the other guy that stuff like this happens - it's the nature of the beast these days... So to be clear, my comment was don't kill Turk - the reason there is the moratorium is so players and teams can make these kinds of deals.
posted By Hey Skyler, 5 July 2009 5:07:25 PM
I think its the fact that Warrick avraged 11 & 5 and conley was not in form when you said it. You said they should not chase a Power Foward. A CLEAR NEED, because they are loaded there. Seriously, Warrick is terrible and should not start on any NBA team which has aspirations for winning more than the draft lottery. You deserve the hate for that call.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 7:08:50 PM
See this is where I get annoyed... the twisting of what was said {http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=12727]... I had Hasheem Thabeet in my Mock Draft, wrote an article explaing the Grizz's options and was called an idiot for suggesting that they would take him, when I explained that they envisioned situations where they could use Marc Gasol at the four spot, I was again called crazy - I am not saying either is a smart basketball move, simply telling you what they are saying among themselves... I reported this on May 22nd which was well after the Grizz's season ended.... there are some days where what I do is like a big game of Telephone - what got said, is not what gets repeated back to me.
posted By Steve Kyler, 5 July 2009 7:15:20 PM
No one deserves hate... if you don't agree, then make your case, thats what this space is for and why we read it and participate in it... I do not want or expect you to agree with me - I want you to voice your part of this, and thats why we put this tool in place... what should never occur is the name calling and personal insults... but like everything else, what should occur does not also occur... but no one deserves to have the character or motivations questions - thats simply a cheap way out - calling me an idiot is easier than presenting your own facts and making a counter argument - I am an easy target, I am loud and play on the edge of things and I am here every day - I am not going to hide from you, which is why people swipe.... as I said, I'll put who and what I know up against anyone in the game.
posted By hmmm..., 6 July 2009 1:50:50 AM
And it's that attitude from you, sir that turns me off and makes me want to nitpick. No readers = No Hoopsworld. Just remember that. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy and appreciate this site, very much the contrary, and I in fact thank you for it. What I don't enjoy are the temper tantrums and condescending attitude when someone does disagree with you, especially when you are hit with facts to the contrary of what it is you're trying to argue about. Many a time I've seen you completely attack the credibility of comments made in an attempt to glaze over the fact that they may have a point; that is of course if you do comment back (I realize that you get busy, but when the thread just runs cold after someone else brings up a good point, I tend to lean towards skepticism.) Or, for some reason, certain comments are wiped from the board completely, regardless of whether or not they are indeed disrespectful. For once, just admit the fact that the readers are the reason you’re in business and can make a living from your love of the game. But don’t think for one minute that you’re entitled to anything, or that what you do puts you into a better class of human being. Quite frankly, some of your site’s editing is a joke, but for the most part I keep my mouth shut on the issue. But when you start going off on your little tantrums like this, it makes it hard to justify not pointing out the fact that some of the grammar and punctuation in many of the pieces here are at an adolescent level. But, of course, you have a bail out by saying, “hey, everybody makes mistakes.”
posted By Steve Kyler, 6 July 2009 6:15:00 AM
I think you have it your head there is a lack of respect for the readers, which is the furthest from the case so to be clear for you --- this site was founded on a single guiding principal - one reader at a time - everyone's opinion is important, everyone's e-mail is important and everyone's page view and enjoyment of the site is important, so don't assume thats lost on anyone here - as for comments about editing - beleive me, I wish we had the budget to spend on a lot of improvements, because it would be one less thing for you to point to when trying to be critical of us - but thats just how its going to be - we spend what resources we have on putting people in the path of information and while we are better editorially than we have been in previous years, thats still our weakest point and we know that - but as you have illustrated here, it doesn't matter what we do right... your going to try and tear that down... my point in commenting here is to make sure that the realities of your comments are also heard... we state very clearly that comments that are insulting of the site and the writer are going to be removed... so again, from your chair you may think "you don't care about the readers" when in fact that is why we are here and why we spend so much time interacting with them - but that doesn't fit the little box you want to place us in now does it - hard to paint us as uniformed and petty when we spend some much time answering our critics... If you don't like me or the guys on my team, thats fine, but don't assault the character of the people or the amount of work we put into it this and then say we don't care about the readers because we won't cower away from critics.
posted By hmmm..., 6 July 2009 11:12:17 AM
Steve, thank you for taking the time to have this conversation, but let's get one thing clear. I don't sit around all day waiting for something I can criticize, and the fact that you paint me that way just strengthens what I was saying. Someone is coming in here with real constructive criticism and pointing out a potential character flaw that sometimes rears it's ugly head in what you do. I understand you're human, I understand I have the right to not read your work. But I'm letting you know, from one professional human being to another, from a customer service and public relations standpoint, sometimes you come off as a bit arrogant by doing the very things you criticize people for. I know you don't care if you tick some faceless screen name off, I get it. I understand how hard you and your team work, and I'm personally appreciative for it. Don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say here. Obviously there are bound to be more negative comments, as you've made yourself into a public figure. I understand how frustrating that can be, I've been there. But don't take for granted how smart some of your readers are by getting it in your head that you're always right, which you and I both know you've done a time or two...Take it easy Mr. Kyler, and thank you for everything that you guys do.
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