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posted By white, 7 January 2009 2:17:46 AM
toronto is willing to take in the contract of diop??? i think this trade would benefit both sides but if i were colangelo, i'd pass on diop even if he could be injury insurance. bargs + parker for howard works salary-wise i think.. i heard jawai would be with the raps soon so there's definitely no need for diop..
posted By Toolatecrew, 7 January 2009 7:00:32 AM
I can see some of the attraction of this deal: Get SF who is athletic, can score and even play some D and rebound (Toronto has forwards that can do all these things but you'd need to roll all 3 of them together to have one that does ALL those things). They badley need another big to save Bosh when JO is hurt which he often is. Wright is a decent SG not top starting quality but passable.
I would not do it for several reasons.
Diop's contract being 1. Yeah its only slightly above MLE but its for 5 more years! He can rebound and block shots a bit but he's so offensivley inept you are playing 4 on 5 when he's out there.
Howard is very injury prone. Him and Oneal in the frontcourt is a ticking timebomb. It would be one thing if you take the risk becuase you are on the verge of something big but what is the upside if he stays healthy? The 8th spot? Downside? Lottery
Its a bit of a desparation move if you ask me their sucess is dependant on JO being healthy (as well as Calderon)
If they belive this is the best chance to trade Bargs for a Swingman then OK but in addition to Howard I'd be wanting Berra as a backup gaurd in case Jose is hurt again. I'd be wanthing Bass or even Mebenga rather than Diop.
I think it would ruin Bargs frankly. He's getting in a groove as a starter. He's not taking Dirk's minutes.
posted By Dallas, 7 January 2009 7:45:49 AM
Please Say it ain't so. Please tell me this is a load of bull.If mark Cuban pulls this move or if Donnie pulls this move he should be fired. J-Ho>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bargs another Dirk without all the moves, and the last time we had another 7 footer that could shoot that was Lafrentz and look how that worked out. All im saying is if this deal goes down there better be two 1st rounders.
posted By jermaine, 7 January 2009 8:15:42 AM
If i was dallas i wouldn't even think about a deal like this. The deal is not only one-sided but it just wouldnt benefit dallas. Trading Josh for Barg and Parker would be too much; this would remind me of the Paul Gasol deal to the laker. Josh is an all-star style player and barg is a first picked busted. Parker is a decent starter. I wouldnt trade him for Jerry Stackhouse; for proof look at the staticts. Dallas could get a much, much, much better deal for Josh Howard. A low post present such as Al jefferson, or a guard such as kevin Martin. Barg and parker combine dont feel the lose of josh. Plese Dallas, before u make another foolish trade.
posted By Craig, 7 January 2009 8:42:20 AM
Ditto Whites comments. I'm pretty sure that Colangelo is smart enough not to take on Diop's contract... besides the salaries aren't even close to matching with the players mentioned in this rumour so I think the Author better double check with his source.
posted By Toolatecrew, 7 January 2009 8:43:36 AM
While I can respect that Dallas fans may not want Bargs (I do not think he would fit in Dallas at all even though he is showing he is not a bust when he gets starter minutes consitently) The idea that you could get Al Jefferson or Kevin Martin type talent for the troubled, injuery prone Josh Howard is absurd.
The idea that you wouldn't trade Jerry stackhouse is perposterous. Dalls would be happy to get half a bag of stale chips for Stackhouse.
posted By Jeff, 7 January 2009 9:02:06 AM
Apparently I have a man-crush on Andrea -- but i would trade him for Josh Howard without any hesitation.
Andrea will be solid, but Howard is an All-Star in the East.
posted By Bizzy, 7 January 2009 9:15:35 AM
How legit is this rumor? If im the raps im dying to get this trade done..parker will be missed though..Anyway we can get B.Bass instead of Diop??..
posted By OhMyBosh, 7 January 2009 9:19:06 AM
I agree 100% with Toolatecrew. I'm a big TO fan and would love this trade to finally sure up our 3 position and get a rebounding presence from the wing. But in no way is Dallas losing out. When Bargs gets touches and plays within his game he's GOOD. it scares me that he'll play with jason kidd and finally find the game that colangelo projected him to have from day one. And bargani seems to have difficulty playing with low post bigs (Bargani's recent boosted stats have come with JO out) not other freelancing players so i don't see him having trouble fitting in with Dirk.
posted By jermaine, 7 January 2009 9:19:34 AM
Toolatecrew, u are foolish, first of all I said i would trade anthony parker for stackhouse straight up. The comparison of both player are too similar, stastically. And the comment about josh howard bad attritude is like this u dont win champions base on your attritude, u win champions on skills and talent. Josh Howard is just as good of a small forward as jefferson is a center and kevin martin is a shooting guard. If Josh leave the team they might be happier and stress free, but u tell me how many team u know with a losing record with player with good attribute and sportship. After the try u can add dallas to that list. And remember this message becaue then u all can complain about how they are losing but they are happy do.
posted By rtillaree, 7 January 2009 9:23:00 AM
This is a ridiculous trade for Dallas, I think Bargs has potential, but he's not the answer...and based on today's value, Dallas get's shafted HARD on this one...of course Raps fan are all over it, they will talk up Bargs like he's the 2nd coming, but not a single one of them will turn this deal down, seems odd, no?....If Dallas does this, oh boy...On the flip side, Toronto hits the gas and jumps up in the east, 4th/5th seed in no time...
posted By dallasfan, 7 January 2009 9:25:47 AM
your raptors fan are so greedy. you want josh howard and B. bass? why dont you just ask for dirt also.I say josh howard for barg and a. parker plus cash.
posted By Mark Bairos, 7 January 2009 9:32:04 AM
Bill, I have kept you in high regard especially when covering ball in the lone star state. However, HUGE gamble throwing this rumour online when Raptorland is in a frenzy w/the underachieving ball club. your credibility and hoopsworld.com's credibility North of the border is @ stake on this one... Risky sports journalism move i tell ya, Less then 48hrs ago, BC told the fan590 Bargs was untouchable, please do keep us posted.
posted By Mark Bairos, 7 January 2009 9:32:11 AM
Bill, I have kept you in high regard especially when covering ball in the lone star state. However, HUGE gamble throwing this rumour online when Raptorland is in a frenzy w/the underachieving ball club. your credibility and hoopsworld.com's credibility North of the border is @ stake on this one... Risky sports journalism move i tell ya, Less then 48hrs ago, BC told the fan590 Bargs was untouchable, please do keep us posted.
posted By wobbyz, 7 January 2009 9:53:10 AM
Hey Dallas fans... J-Ho is not worth nearly as much as you think is. Al Jefferson or Kevin Martin??? Are you crazy?
posted By wobbyz, 7 January 2009 9:56:54 AM
And also, just so you guys know, I'm a huge Raps fan and I'm not all over this trade. I think J-Ho is overrated. Wait another 6 months and tell me that Howard is better than Bargs.
posted By rtillaree (six months in the future), 7 January 2009 10:00:19 AM
yep, Josh Howard is still better than Bargs...
posted By Dave, 7 January 2009 10:03:12 AM
Do you think J-Ho could be shipped straight up to Minny for Mike Miller? He's obviously not working in MN, but he would be a beast with Kidd feeding him the ball. Works for cap purposes.
posted By Thief in the night, 7 January 2009 10:04:07 AM
This would be an absolute robbery for the Raptors. They get rid of an underacheiving rookie and a ok veteran without athletic ability. In return they get a guy in his prime that can still score 20 ppg. He'd help the Raptors out tremendously. While the Mavs would look like the Raptors after this trade. Who will they start at the 3 after this? You mean you want Kidd, Parker, and Devean George as your starters? This puts even more pressure on Dirk to lead. Unless they intend on starting Bargnani at the 3. Terrible trade for the Mavs, excellent for the Raptors.
posted By Brown Honret, 7 January 2009 10:09:11 AM
This trade would be good for the Raptors as they do not have a lot of blue chip trading pieces. Keeping in mind that in the NBA trades are made slary for salary this is probably the reason why other players need to be thrown in to the deal. Persoanlly I would hate to see Parker go as he's been consistent on the defensive end for years, In order to keep Bosh Colangelo is going to have to do something. I would also rather Bass than Diop. He's going to be good player in time.
posted By Toolatecrew, 7 January 2009 10:18:05 AM
Jermain:
This is a direct copy and paste quote from your comment. Just becuase you mistyped don't blame me. One can only read what is posted.
"Parker is a decent starter. I wouldnt trade him for Jerry Stackhouse; for proof look at the staticts"
posted By reality check., 7 January 2009 10:18:46 AM
check out this ...
http://thestar.blogs.com/raptors/2009/01/lets-nip-this-in-the-bud-now.html
posted By Shift Face, 7 January 2009 10:29:11 AM
Dear Bill Ingram,
You call Anthony Parker "a throw-in." Then you say "Parker might be the more important piece in this transaction." Make up your mind before you come up with such ridiculous rumours. Do us all a favour (oh sorry, favor) and do some research before you flap your gums about a trade that would look good for your team. You think the Raptors are that stupid?
posted By soze36, 7 January 2009 10:30:25 AM
Thank god! I thought the Jason Kidd deal was all the confirmation I needed that Dirk would never win a ring, but this trade would really solidify it. There's a pretty basic rule of thumb in the NBA. If you don't play defense, you won't win championships. The Mavs have built their team around Dirk for 10 years and despite a few good runs, I never doubted for a second that this team wouldn't win it all, because they're leader plays no D. So after seeing the buttersoft Dirk get muscled in the postseason for the past few years, they're going to trade for Bargnani? Have TWO seven-footers that won't play D? That's classic. I wish they could've pulled Nenad Krstic from Russia to start at center. This team was already incredibly soft. They just knocked themselves out of the playoffs in January if they pull this off. Just another example of how these GMs don't know what they're doing. It's justice though, because this could guarantee a well-built team like Portland or Utah will get in. I'll be rooting for the 2010 Brandon Bass Mavs, when all the females are gone.
posted By J, 7 January 2009 10:36:35 AM
dallasfan:
Bargnani, Parker and Cash for just Howard is a lot better for the Raptors than Bargnani and Parker for Howard, Wright and ugh, Diop, so thanks!
posted By reality check., 7 January 2009 10:39:31 AM
Bill, Do you have sources or just make this stuff up? If you have sources you may want to change them.
posted By jessief905, 7 January 2009 10:40:24 AM
Let's nip this in the bud now
As you regulars know, I never do this but this whole Dallas-Toronto thing that's floating around there this morning is creating reaction well beyond proportion.
So ...
The deal is not going to happen, was never going to happen, will never happen and you can all go back to your regularly-scheduled lives, as I will with a visit to Super Son's orthodontist and my doctor, exactly the way I was going to spend an off-day before I got sidetracked with this garbage.
I have no idea why the story was made up or out there in the first place but one guy I talked to around the league used the words "total" and "nonsense" in a conversation.
Think about it: Yes, Howard is good, although many will tell you his skills and impact are declining. Diop has perhaps the worst contract for value in the league with four years and about $25 million to run -- after this year - and a trade kicker that increases the value. This for what? A rebound or two, maybe a point or two a game? Come on, are you serious? Antoine Wright? If he gets another NBA contract after next year I'll be shocked.
For what? The best young big man on Toronto's roster and the most valuable expiring contract? Do you all think Bryan has lost his mind?
I have no idea who the writer is or what hoopsworld is or why this fiction got out there but it did and it's ridiculous. End of rant.
Well, sort of.
This is a prime example of why you should trust and know the sources of your news and speculation. And it's precisely why I don't traffic in fantasy.
See you later for the game.
......Doug smiths blog Toronto star... Hahahaha no way were giving up bargs but they should consider a deal with j.o if that is at all possible?
posted By Broc, 7 January 2009 10:41:37 AM
Jermaine, you really think the Mavs can get Al Jefferson for Josh Howard? Not unless Cuban has pictures of Kevin McHale dressed like an adult baby standing over a pile of dead hookers?
posted By Mark Bairos, 7 January 2009 10:57:39 AM
Shocking. Doug Smith verifies foolish rumours createed by hoopsworld. Shame on you Bill, Shameless PR move and desperate strategy to rejuvenate J.Howards gamw of late.
Steve Kyler, Bill Ingram and the hoopsworld.com family step ur game up!
Your credibility and sources are officialy suspect.
posted By Mark Bairos, 7 January 2009 10:58:22 AM
Shocking. Doug Smith verifies foolish rumours createed by hoopsworld. Shame on you Bill, Shameless PR move and desperate strategy to rejuvenate J.Howards gamw of late.
Steve Kyler, Bill Ingram and the hoopsworld.com family step ur game up!
Your credibility and sources are officialy suspect.
posted By Jeff, 7 January 2009 12:09:27 PM
Doug Smith did, yes...but when was the last time he was right about anything? He is paid for his hard work and effort, and not his basketball acumen. He is like the Matt Bonner of Toronto Writers.
posted By ROB BABCOCK, 7 January 2009 12:13:35 PM
Jeff my friend, Doug Smith has been with the Raptors since expansion.
Can you elaborate what Matt Bonner of Writers means. Smitty is like an insect when it come to Toronto Raptors.
Lets face it, Ingram picked the wrong team, wrong market and wrong organization to pull peoples leg with.
posted By bleedREDnBLACK33, 7 January 2009 12:16:42 PM
Please go to the Dallas Morning News website mavericks blog. This isnt possible. Another writer with no clue, heck he should get a vote in the harris poll.
posted By Tim, 7 January 2009 12:18:43 PM
Sounds like wishful thinking by the Raps. Mavs have absolutely no need for Bargs. And they've already shelved one aging SG in Stack. Parker's not good enough to justify dropping their 2nd best player.
posted By Jeff, 7 January 2009 12:22:13 PM
Hardest worker but doesn't have the skills.
Glad to see him reporting on the team daily though...and i'm sure this note from Bill Ingram is legit (why wouldnt Colangelo ask about Howard?). Its there job to give you people something to talk about...and that worked.
posted By FriscoMavsMan, 7 January 2009 12:23:18 PM
Parker is a spare part; Bargnani is young, has a low contract, and upside. The deal will not happen; the trade will not make the Mavs better this year. If the Mavs make this move, they might as well blow up the roster. Jason Kid would need to be moved too.
If the Mavs make any deals, they will want draft picks, and no long term salaries. They are waiting on 2010 like everybody else.
posted By ROCKETSSSS, 7 January 2009 12:29:59 PM
One thing to speculate but the way thi sexclusive was worded it wounded like near completion. Just last week the same chooch Ingram reported a three way trade involving Lakers, Bucks and Rockets... DIDDO
posted By Jeff, 7 January 2009 12:30:54 PM
And for all you people that think the Mavs would never do something like this...he did trade for Jason Kidd when every "expert" in the world said he was declining. Nothing the Mavs do should surprise.
posted By jonnycool, 7 January 2009 12:33:00 PM
wow, here's a sportswriter even dumber than Doug Smith.
posted By Jay, 7 January 2009 12:40:44 PM
Didn't realize HoopsWorld was less credible than the New York Post.
posted By RaptorNation, 7 January 2009 12:43:05 PM
Steve Kyler, Bill Ingram and hoopsworld.com SHAME ON YOU
posted By reality check, 7 January 2009 1:20:07 PM
Hey Bill ... I got another scoop for ya. Kobe Bryant is being traded to Toronto for the mascot, seven basketballs, one of the Raptor Cheerleaders and Jay Triano. This kind of "reporting" is hilarious .. this website is a joke and I can't believe you would risk your reputation on such dumb rumors.
posted By Jason, 7 January 2009 1:22:52 PM
No, BC has told the Raptors fans he is going to deal Andrea. For this deal, Dallas is going to store up their future, with Andrea, they are going to train him the next Dirk, because Dallas is going nowhere this season, they will be fortune if they can finish top four in west.Rapotrs can get the president, and consistent wing player. But why include Diop? I think it will better get Bass.
posted By Bill Ingram, 7 January 2009 1:36:32 PM
Wow - sorry I'm late arriving to the party here! I had to fill in for Steve Kyler in his chat this morning and then I've been on the phone with several people - including Colangelo - trying to find out what's really going on with this rumor. I just finished a story with my findings - Colangelo insists he's not moving Bargnani OR O'Neal and that this is all coming from Dallas. Which it is . . .as it turns out.
posted By JAC, 7 January 2009 1:37:00 PM
This trade is stupid..I agree we should trade howard but we can get much more in return...Barg ( another soft Euro who can only shoot the ball) thats exactly what Dallas needs, a soft 7 footer who only averages 6.5 rebounds a game...
posted By Bill Ingram, 7 January 2009 2:05:33 PM
Actually, what Ingram reported last week was that the deal between Milwaukee, LA, and Houston was complete nonsense. You should really go back and read that one again. 5 papers reported it was a done deal, but sources close to Milwaukee and Houston told us it wasn't even being discussed. That's what Ingram wrote. I know the guy pretty well.
posted By Negromancer, 7 January 2009 2:54:34 PM
Italians are loyal to one another, therefore Mr Colangelo could convince Andrea Bargnani to be traded to another team giving us a good piece in return longterm. Andrea Bargnani then can return to the Raptors after 1 year when he becomes a free agent!!
posted By Brandon, 7 January 2009 3:21:34 PM
Tell Josh T-Dot has some good Piff!!
posted By christian, 7 January 2009 3:36:13 PM
who is your source for these rumours?
posted By Bill Ingram, 7 January 2009 3:49:36 PM
Never give up a source - then you can't use them because they get fired or won't talk any more. The source was a good one, but he was given bad information by the Mavs.
posted By snazz100, 7 January 2009 4:01:39 PM
"A deal being discussed would send TROUBLED forward Josh Howard to the Raptors"....
And that scares the hell out of me. BC don't do it..This guy is trouble.. We need character guys.
posted By RASTA WHATCHA BEEN SMOKING MON, 7 January 2009 4:23:31 PM
YO RAPtORs NeeD TOuGhness MoN We NeEd GaNgsTaS RuNning da BoTtyboy
posted By Mark, 7 January 2009 5:21:55 PM
This article could use some fact checking. Salary wise it doesn't work at all. The Raps can't take back that much salary.
posted By Liar, 7 January 2009 6:33:12 PM
WHY WOULD U TRADE AWAY UR FUTURE CENTRE AKA MR BARGNANI THROWING THE BALL DOWN ON UR FUGLY FACE BECAUSE THE ITALIAN STALLION OWNS U!! BAD MOVE IF BC EVER DID THIS AND HE WONT U JERK FACE!
posted By Huge from T-Dot, 7 January 2009 8:52:44 PM
AP a 'prolific scorer'? What planet are you from. He has essentially averaged 10 pts a game as a Raptor and has been a no show in the playoffs two years running. He is not a legitimate NBA starter, although would fit in well coming off the bench for a good team like LA, Boston or San Antonio. Bargnani may also do well playing elswhere but for Colangelo to acknowledge that he made a huge mistake taking him with the #1 pick, it is going to take a lot more than Josh Howard or any other crappy Dallas throw ins. This whole rumours reaks of Dallas Desperation!
posted By SaL, 8 January 2009 4:22:13 AM
I cant believe Raptors have this many fans.. Props to the Raptors fans..
posted By the man, 8 January 2009 11:38:07 PM
yes there are millions of raptors fan. And they are all overboard fanatics. I'd rather hear a Boston, Lakers, Portland and Houston fans plow people in the Internet. They have good teams, unlike the Raptors. Essentialy they are sour-graping.
posted By richol, 27 January 2009 8:44:33 AM
Hey Raptor fans.Kiss Bosh goodbye.He would be crazy not to follow the Vince Carter path.He deserves much better than the caliber the Raptor-group offers.Chris....get out of there man.Even if they offer you a golden river,say no thanks...for the sake of your career,find another destination.
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