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posted By wiz4life, 27 January 2009 7:32:50 AM
Mikki Moore is a very serviceable backup to Aldridge but Salmons is complaining about touches now...wheres he gonna fit in iwht Portland? They already have a scorer off the bench (Outlaw)...so unless they want to start him over Batum and cut Batum's PT significantly (which i see as the most likely scenario)Salmons will be fighting for PT.
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 January 2009 7:42:37 AM
Two thoughts on this... first, adding Salmons makes you deeper and more veteran for a playoff run now... Look at his numbers - he's 41% from NBA three this season, he averages 18.6 points a game, in his last five games he's 52% from the field averaging 17.8 points - that is a huge upgrade over Batum - 36.6% from the field, shooting 34% from three... John is a veteran, Batum is a rookie... I also think everyone complains about shots when your losing... he comes to Portland and starts winning games, he doesn't complain as much.... he is also gonna demand a double team... I am not sure Portland can get him without taking on Kenny Thomas, and while I love KT not sure thats a good move for Portland.
posted By Shaq786, 27 January 2009 8:10:54 AM
I have been saying this for a while, lakers need to jump in and trade lamar, a second round pick and mihm... for batum, frye, and la frentz
posted By wiz4life, 27 January 2009 8:39:23 AM
Good stuff i like when people know what they're talking about. Even though KT would be gettin paid a little under 9mil next two years i think itd be worth it for portland to get 2 significant upgrades. blake, roy, salmons, aldrige, oden sounds good to me. but what i love about this team is the bench which would be outlaw, webster, fernandez, moore, frye, bayless, batum. That bench could win 20 games in a Nba season as starters...Also i was looking at the salaries and why is Portland paying steve francis 15mil? when did they sign him?
posted By Toolatecrew, 27 January 2009 9:00:34 AM
I agree with Steve on the Salmons trade.
I'll also add that honestly I don't think Thomas would be that big a sacrifice for Portland to take (Now I don't know that I'd give a first up if I had to take thomas back). Why?
Thomas makes 8M this year. But the Blazers only pay half the season so its only 4 M bucks. But what about next year you say. Well in the off season the balzers were not going to be major cap players anyways becuase Miles Salary stays on the Books. With what they have to work with this summer if they didn't do the trade in terms of cap space or MLE are they going to get a better player than Salmons? Not likley IMO. Next year Thomas makes 8M but he's expiring. He could be an attractive peice as an expiring contract next year. I think players in the 4-8M range are the most attractive becuase you don't need a roster busting move to trade for them (unlike trading for say Marbury's 20M expiring contract). Thomas next year won't put them inot the luxury tax either.
Salmons is actually a good fit becuase not only can he play SF with Aldridge and Oden back there to protect his defense vs SFs but he can handel the ball well so that if Roy rests or is hurt he can play that same ball handeling SG role as Roy. Not as well as Roy but its still less disruptive than going from Roy creating most of the offense to Rudy Fernandez.
posted By Bill Ingram, 27 January 2009 9:35:16 AM
Good points, TLC. Salmons is the kind of player the Blazers would be looking to add with their free agent money anyway, so if you can get him now and let him help the team in the postseason THIS year, so much the better. And as Steve said, players are much happier and much more likely to share when the team is winning. When your team is losing every night, all you have to think about are your own stats.
posted By What a mess, 27 January 2009 10:28:42 AM
First off...shaq786...you're an idiot. Batum isn't going anywhere, especially to the fakers........secondly, Batum is a much better defender than Salmons, hands down. I don't see how this helps Portland at all. I like Mikki Moore as a backup PF, Salmons is a good one-on-one scorer--but he's too small to play the 3 for Portland. I just don't see this one happening, and if it does, maybe it's a precursor to a summer time deal for a bigger fish.
posted By AARON, 27 January 2009 11:41:13 AM
A GOOD TRADE SINCE AMARE IS UNHAPPY WOULD BE AMARE AND BARBOSA ROUND PICK FOR HINRICH, GOODEN, GORDON AND TRYUS
posted By Garrett Olsen, 27 January 2009 11:48:21 AM
If Portland lands Salmons, do you think Denver will counter with trying to add David Lee or another piece? It seems like last year Utah made a deal for Kyle Korver (shooter like Salmons) and it lit a flame under Utah's ### and they took the NW division, and it seems like Portland may be trying to do the same. Thoughts?
posted By R, 27 January 2009 11:52:56 AM
What about things from my horrible horrible kings' perspective? i think that trade would help them. along with the trading of brad miller... if it happens. those 2 trades could get under the cap and maybe a couple nice free agents. john salmons can't seem to play with kevin martin anyway. i'm thinking the kings could use that space to finally sign a point, maybe Raymond Felton,Nate Robinson? ehh.. or perhaps Kyle Korver, or long shots David Lee and Charlie V, or umm..Carlos Boozer,Lamar Odom,Chris Mihm? ooh nevermind. lol. but in all seriousness, getting Hedo back or a nice peice like Bradon Bass/ Varejao would be nice
posted By Lamar Odom, 27 January 2009 11:56:13 AM
Lamar Odom should go to Milwaukee for Villanueva, Lue and Gadzuric. This works out for both teams plus the salaries match
posted By Snake, 27 January 2009 12:17:58 PM
Your writing is REALLY bad. Do you ever edit? Have you taken any writing courses? Your words reflect your thinking: sloppy.
posted By Portland_fan, 27 January 2009 12:35:54 PM
OK HW writers, why would this work with Portland? They have 3 solid SF, and they just extended Webster rookie contract. How would it work to have 4 solid SF on a loaded team? Hoopsworld talking out the rear again!
posted By ISMAIL, 27 January 2009 12:44:20 PM
AARON THAT IS A NICE TRADE
posted By wb456, 27 January 2009 1:03:29 PM
ain't gonna happen! What Portland really needs is for Webster to get back to 100%. When he gets healthy, they are complete.
posted By Ripcity4life, 27 January 2009 1:30:16 PM
Not Happening. This deal makes little sense for Portland because Salmons has a rep for a bad attitude at times. Also what's the old saying about Trade rumors. The moment WE hear about them they are DEAD.
NEXT Rumor please
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 January 2009 1:32:04 PM
So is "Hoopsworld talking out the rear again!" - going to be the default response when something is said you don't agree with - let me counter with "don't shoot the messenger" - that said why does Portland consider such a deal... 12-12 in conference, 3-3 in division... They have lost 5 of their 12 games so far in January... The are in 5th place in the west, and they lose absolutely zero assets in moving Raef for John salmons or similar player... as for the glut of SFs on the roster... those are either A - movable assets or B- guys that can bolster the bench and develop... nowhere in the piece does it say this deal is done, but what it does say is the Kings and Blazers have been talking about a deal fairly seriously.
posted By v, 27 January 2009 1:38:09 PM
if amare is on the table, the 6ers should offer up brand.
amare on a run and gun team would be scary, and i think brand would fit in well along side shaq. With the way brand has been playing this year, it would be tough to convince phx though, but i doubt they'd find a better PF available.
posted By NJ, 27 January 2009 2:24:50 PM
I'm a Blazers fan and I for one would be very pleased to get a player of Salmons caliber on the team. He's always been a pretty good wing defender, can hit open shots and would be a steady, stable veteran presence now and in the future (even though Roy plays like a ten year guy and owns this team).
I love Batum's potential, but let's be honest here, the kid is still super raw and is going to need at least a couple of seasons to round into form, Outlaw plays the power forward position more effectively than the small forward and is uncomfortable in a starting role, and who knows if/when Webster will be back on the court, and it's not like he's ever been any great shakes his first 3 years in the league.
Who knows if KP and Petrie will consummate the deal, but I for one would love to add somebody of Salmons caliber (which is probably the kind of guy they'd be after in free agency anyway).
posted By Ripcity4life, 27 January 2009 2:30:11 PM
Woah Woah Woah Steve. Do not get bent out of shape cause we all know that by the time a deal is leaked it is more then likely dead. I am not saying your wrong that the Kings and Blazers talked just i am not sure Salmons is a Blazers type of player. Correct me if i am wrong Steve but he has a history of complaining about PT and the Blazers do not need that possible distraction. I never said the Rumor was BS just that chances are it was not going to happen in MY opinion. I enjoy reading your chats and all but calm down and take a deep breath not taking a shot at you just this rumor.
posted By Smith, 27 January 2009 2:35:58 PM
I have some concern over Salmons being in Portland. He's already been griping about playing second fiddle to Kevin Martin, how will he do playing next to Roy, Aldridge, and Outlaw? There's something to be said for the old saying "winning changes everything," but I just don't know. Mikki Moore and Kenny Thomas thrown into the deal would give Portland a lot of cap room for 2010. Combined with Darius Miles' contract, those 3 would be an extra 24 million. I'm just worried about messing too much with the team mid-season. Sergio would almost assuredly be part of the deal, as well as Frye and Diogu. It's interesting, that's for sure.
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 January 2009 2:41:02 PM
My single largest pet peeve is when people make things personal... don't agree with the analysis, great present your case - don't like the choice of stories - all for it... but you make things personal, thats just a lack of respect... every player on a losing team complains about shots and their role... "if I touched the ball more we'd have a chance to win"... winning cures all.
posted By wiz4life, 27 January 2009 3:50:00 PM
there are always gonna b idiots like portland_fan...just ignore them...
posted By R, 28 January 2009 1:22:55 AM
No Snake, i figured no need to editing. if you were talking to me that is. it's not a formal essasy or a disorientation or anything of that matter. but i think it would be a nice trade for portland. they should use that Raef contract to get someone who can help them make a stronger push into the playoffs. i believe they are worried about webster's health for the rest of this season. i bet salmons wouldn't cause too much trouble. winning changes things. i bet the main reason he's complained is because the two stops he was at, Phi and Sacto, there wasn't too many W's
posted By R, 28 January 2009 1:26:22 AM
ooh, and i meant to make sure you notice the bad typo. "No need to editing". lol. and i also heard talk of Joe Dumars shopping A.I. Portland could get him as a loaner for a year, but i bet Nate Mac wouldn't want that nucleus disrupted.
posted By Pers, 28 January 2009 1:49:27 PM
TLC brings up a good point. Trading Raef for someone who expires next year might be the biggest asset the blazers could potentially get this year. That allows them to host offers from the many teams who are trying to clear cap and get lebron, dwade, bosh, etc next year. That expiring contract should be worth more than Raef's alone.
On salmons--I'm not sold. Mr. Kyler and others here are saying he's a big improvement at the 3..but you forget that Batum is not our starting 3 and Outlaw typically plays more backup-4 than at the 3. Webster is our starting 3 and although he's hurt, the blazers will not be serious contenders this year and in the long run, webster>salmons--especially since webster is free. And I think in the long (5+yrs) term, Batum is our answer at the 3. We do have a glut of people who can play at the wing spot, but you can't argue that we end up with more pieces we can move because that's exactly what the trading deadline is for!
I think Outlaw's inconsistency gives him less value to the blazers than he's perceived to have. He is very tradable.
Frye is even moreso. He is completely unnecessary for the Blazers (although I love him), but he could start on a handful of teams around the league. If he's not traded, he will play for the qualifying offer/sign an offer sheet elsewhere in the offseason.
Bayless is not going anywhere, but Sergio might. Although he's Rudy's best buddy, he is a poor man's steve blake with slightly better passing, but he's just too much of a defensive detractor. Still, in an uptempo open court system, he could do damage. D'antoni, Nelson, and even sacto could be interested (speculation obviously).
posted By pers, 28 January 2009 1:51:34 PM
ya'll really need to pass word along to your tech team to allow paragraph spacing again.
IMHO Blazers top target should be gerald wallace-even if we have to overpay for him. He's an upgrade for sure over Martell, a slasher who can create (we desperately need that), and he'd fit in well with his history of injuries.
Kidding aside, for RLEC, we need to look for an upgrade at the point, an upgrade at the 3, or more realistically, a future trading asset (2010 Expiring Contract).
posted By Bobby G. (Sac), 29 January 2009 3:32:04 PM
Whoever said that Salmons can't defend is wrong. He can. He has done as good a job on Kobe as anyone in the West. ...The Kings need to do something drastic and somehow get some more efficient BIGs and at least one more point guard that would be an upgrade over the Bobby's (Jackson and Brown)
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