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posted By Dave, 9 February 2009 8:20:48 AM
Assuming the Heat are offering Beasley to the Suns, he's the best offer they have, period. But if the Heat are able to pull a Marion/Cook for Amare trade, I'd be extremely impressed.
posted By Piter, 9 February 2009 8:24:29 AM
I like the Miami Package, starting Five of Phoenix would be:
Nash, J-Rich, Marion, Beasley, Shaq.
Bench would be: Hill, The Blur, Lopez and others. Wow!
Also, maybe NY can get in the sweepstakes. They want Amar'e in 2010 anyways. I'd say Lee, some ending contracts and one or two mediumly talented guys might do the trick.
posted By Shawn Marion, 9 February 2009 8:32:00 AM
Why the <blank> should I want to play in Phoenix again???
posted By Toolatecrew, 9 February 2009 8:35:50 AM
Of all the offers I like the Heat best for BOTH SIDES.
I know a lot of people say "oh marion is never going back to the Suns" but frankly Marion doesn't get a say in the matter. I'm sure he can survive a 1/2 season back in the Vally of the Suns knowing he's an URFA at year end and can go where he likes. Beasley has real talent and although he's not an Amare type player he certainly can be a good player so its not like they get no Talent in return. He fits better next to Shaq that's for sure.
For the Heat I think Amare is a great fit. Yes he complained sometimes about it but truth is he's much more effective as a Center where he can simply out quick and outrun guys rather than depending on skill. On D most centers are great on offense so it hides his defensive deficinencies. He'd be killer running screen roll with Wade or running the break with him. Hasslem is happy to do the dirty work and stay out of the way (unlike Amare Shaq pairing) Yes Beasly is a talent but he's not a power player and those are harder to find. Swingmen are much eaiser.
I don't know why anyone is sold on the Bulls deal.
Drew Gooden (He's OK I guess), Cedric Simmons(Who?), Thabo Sefolosha(never shown anything much and he'd be behind Jrich and Barbosa) and Tyrus Thomas (raw talent who won't fit atall next to Shaq becuase he can't hit jumpers)
posted By pig, 9 February 2009 8:43:05 AM
marion + beasley for stoudamire would be GREAT for suns
posted By Steve Kyler, 9 February 2009 9:01:55 AM
Hey Shawn... your under contract, your numbers are at an all time low going into free agency - you don't have much say in the matter... you could always try for a buyout - drop $3 million, maybe Sarver lets you walk.
posted By Joe Shafer, 9 February 2009 9:51:04 AM
How about Detroit sends Prince, Sheed, Maxiell and a first round draft pick for Amare, Hill and Barnes.... Pheonix gets a great SF to play next to Richardson, and lets face it Nash and Prince would rock the fast break. They get 13 million in expiring cap money from Sheed, who might be great next to the big Shaqctus. And a PF they could develop for the future at a lower cost that Amare. Detroit gets their man in the paint with STAT. Sending Grant Hill back to were it all started to finish his career should help sell tickets and Matt Barnes has some value to the team.
AND we get to seen Dwight and Amare go at each other several times a year....and who doesn't want that!!
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 February 2009 10:08:00 AM
There is an important point here everyone is missing. The Suns are currently in 7th place in the West, three games behind the Hornets for the fourth spot in the West and homecourt in the first round. It may not sound like a lot, but keep in mind that means three good teams have to either maintain their current level or get worse, allowing the Suns to pass them. In that time, the Suns also may have to integrate new players into a system some say has problems and get those player to work well with Nash AND Shaq, not one or the other. If Stoudemire can't do it after a year, how is that going to happen in two months? NONE of these trades get Phoenix homecourt in the first round, and frankly, I don't see a trade out there that will. If that's truly the criteria, I see the Suns as all talk and no action.
posted By embarressed, 9 February 2009 10:46:47 AM
Don't fall for the hype of a "Stoudemire" trade. He can be traded at any time. It's Shaq and Nash that need to be traded by the deadline. Both players are doubtful to be on their team after next season when their contracts end. Trading them now allows you to get a few pieces and trim their salary. Example Suns trade Shaq for Hinrich and expiring Drew Gooden. Hinrich is a valuable NBA player(play one or two) and Suns drop 11 million from Shaq's 20 million. Then trade Nash to Portland for Expiring LaFrentz and Bayless. Or Expiring LaFrentz and Fernandez. Once again dropping payroll next year(Nash's 13 mill to Rudy's or Jarrod's 1-2 mill) I know Portland loves Rudy but to get Nash to run their team would be incredible. Bulls do the trade with Shaq to get a big now. But more importantly shave payroll so they can get into the 2010 Free-Agency. Suns are not trading Amare! He's the only asset that cheap owner has. Look for the aging high-priced vets to be moved.
posted By pers, 9 February 2009 12:13:38 PM
blazers would love nash-that's a fact.
How about this three way though (pending a Bosh extension)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1727~2983~454~2015~1977~2790&teams=28~21~21~28~22~22&te=&cash=
posted By Black Mamba, 9 February 2009 1:22:13 PM
"Phil's system, great as it is, doesn't give a role player much opportunity. For Kobe Bryant, it's great. For Paul Gasol, it's great. But role players don't do much." LOL!
what about great role players like Robert Horry, Derek Fisher , Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman. Vlad Rad was major liability on defense and was inconsistant on offense. Great Move by Kupcheck... All the pieces in place for a title run and anything short of a NBA title is a major disappointment....
posted By CentrILMark, 9 February 2009 1:45:08 PM
So, the Beasley/Marion for Amar'e trade, that's a $21 Million deal. That means Phoenix has to part with Barbosa along with Stoudemire their two best young players for Marion's expiring contract and Michael Beasley who nobody has denied is a difficult personality to deal with, and not a power forward. I really don't see Kerr and Sarver doing this deal. Instead, you can keep Barbosa, get your expiring contract(s) Gooden(possibly Ben Gordon w/consent to play wih Shaq and Nash), and you can get Tyrus Thomas who has averaged 15 points and 10 boards with 1.85 blocks on Chicago's latest six game West Coast trip. Thomas is a power forward who has gotten stronger, much more in tune with the game and a much improved team first attitude. If Amar'e really has soured on Phoenix, and they have to make a move, this one makes more sense unless they can get Aldridge and LaFrentz's contract from Portland.
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 February 2009 1:48:00 PM
IF Phoenix could get that deal from Portland they should jump at it, but it's not on the table.
posted By bob, 9 February 2009 5:02:31 PM
Just get ride of shaq and amare will be back to the best PF in the NBA. they are not going to trade Amare if they do who are they going to build around? Matt Barnes? didnt think so its not going to happen.
posted By Smith, 9 February 2009 6:15:49 PM
The idea of Portland giving away Bayless is a little too premature. He has too much potential and I don't see how that helps Portland if we wouldn't get another PG in return, or at the very least Barbosa. Also, maybe one of the writers would know, could Portland get the deal done and turn around and trade Stat before the deadline, or is there a waiting period? I just don't see Portland being the "big player" all the writers seem to think they are. What Portland needs is a good SF that can play some defense and score a little. Guys like Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Marvin Williams, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, even Gerald Wallace would be better than our ole defense on the wings. KP will do the right thing, and Amar'e isn't it...that is, unless Cleveland would like to make a deal later for LeBron...lol
posted By Not In Our Backyard, 10 February 2009 12:46:44 AM
Yeah, I don't believe the Bayless trade for Stoudemire. Why? Where would he play? PF? Where does LaMarcus go?
It's pretty simple for Portland. They have two needs - a point guard upgrade and a small forward upgrade.
To me, Stoudemire to Miami makes more sense.
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