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Morning Report: The Amar'e Offers

By: Steve Kyler   Last Updated: 2/9/09 10:06 AM ET | 10126 times read
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The Latest With Amar'e: The Phoenix Suns have come to grips with the inevitable – they are not a good team. As a result after several meetings with ownership and team captains the team has decided it's time to understand who is worth what. The rampant Amar'e Stoudemire speculation is born from this concept: the Suns are going to be a tax-paying team, and may not have home court advantage in the playoffs. The belief is that Suns' owner Robert Sarver and his partners have taken a financial beating, and that funding a luxury tax while losing ground may be a bit more than they are willing to take on. Furthermore, it's believed if the Suns don't host six playoff games the blood loss may be more than anyone can tolerate. The decision to shop out players is about getting breathing room under the tax, but its also about adding pieces that can insure home court in the first round this year, meaning the Suns won't be making a deal that guts the team; it will have to return meaningful talent that can play tomorrow. There are several teams that have made "first contact," which as one league executive called it, is they "Hi we're interested, what's it gonna take" call. Its believed a small number of teams has made "preliminary offers," but with the NBA trade deadline just 10 days away, the Suns have told interested parties to make their best offers now as they will not be doing an elaborate dance. Here is the latest on each of the would-be suitors.

Miami: The Miami HEAT seem more than interested in Stoudemire and the word is they have offered the ending contract of Shawn Marion and second overall pick Michael Beasley or Daequan Cook. Auch a deal would require Phoenix to kick in more than just Stoudemire to work under the cap, but seems to be a solid offer for the Suns if they indeed want to get meaningful cap room. Marion is obviously familiar with some of the personnel and is a known quantity to the Suns. This offer is somewhat interesting because it would have Miami again cashing in its future in Beasley to get Stoudemire in South Beach now.

Portland: Most Blazers fans don't see why Amar'e Stoudemire would be attractive to the Blazers, and league sources say that the Blazers were one of the first teams to reach out to the Suns. The belief is acquiring Stoudemire makes sense if the price is right. The basis of any deal would involve the almost free contract of Raef LaFrentz, which is now being paid by insurance, which would go a long way towards shaving off dollars from Phoenix's payroll right now, and the loaded roster the Blazers have becomes attractive in getting young talent back in Phoenix. Blazers sources have said LaMarcus Aldridge is off the table, which begs the question where would Amar'e play if acquired? League sources say the offer on the table from Portland was Raef LaFrentz, Jerryd Bayless and a protected number 1 draft pick. The Blazers really like Bayless so that's a hard one to buy, but understanding any deal for Amar'e would have include a top shelf talent, and Bayless might be the odd man out. Portland is likely a longshot, unless Phoenix's real motivation is cutting costs. No other situation in the league gives the Suns the immediate $4.8 million savings that acquiring LaFrentz's insurance paid contract provides. The problem in this scenario is it does not insure the Suns are in the playoffs, let alone get home court. The Blazers do have the ending contracts of Ike Diogu and Channing Frye, add those contracts to Joel Przybilla and there is enough salary to work under the cap, but again lacks the assurance of homecourt in late April.

New Jersey: The New Jersey Nets have flatly denied they made any offers to Phoenix. They did however confirm they had discussions. It's believed Amar'e Stoudemire is on their 2010 wish-list, so getting him now is meaningful to New Jersey. The Nets however lack the assets to really make a deal. Nets sources said last night in Orlando, a package including Yi Jianlian, Ryan Anderson, Jarvis Hayes and a first round draft pick was likely the best offer the Nets would make, and by tossing in the ending contract of Stromile Swift it does work under the cap. Based on Phoenix's established criteria that any deal must insure homecourt, it does not seem a Nets offer does that as explained by Nets sources.

Chicago: The Chicago Bulls have also had a "meaningful" discussion with the Suns, its believed the basis of the discussion was could Amar'e be obtained for Drew Gooden, Cedric Simmons, Thabo Sefolosha and Tyrus Thomas? If that was indeed the deal offered by the Bulls that is clearly the best "talent" on the table, but whether that "insures" homecourt is highly debatable. It is clear Chicago is among the teams most interested in Amar'e, so as this race heads down the stretch it will be interesting to see if the Bulls emerge with the best deal.

The key item to keep in mind as these stories flow out, is that at no time has anyone inside Suns the organization labeled Amar'e Stoudemire as the problem, most sources inside the team point to head coach Terry Porter and his system as the biggest issue, and its highly likely Porter is replaced at season's end. If the Suns' cannot find the right deal, they are unlikely to make a bad deal. While some may characterize this as the "Suns have to move Amar'e" sources inside the team say that's absolutely not the case, but they are motivated to improve if they can before the trade deadline.

Better Fit For Vlad: They say that the best trades are the ones where both sides get what they wanted or needed. The Lakers triggered a deal on Saturday that got rid of some longer term money in Vladimir Radmanovic, and the Bobcats got a proven veteran that will likely fit in with Larry Brown's system. Like most commentary after a trade Vlade says he's happy to be in a system where he may have a more defined role, saying he loved being a Laker, but didn't love the system.

"Here I'll do what I do best. Being a Laker was a great experience, but it was also frustrating not knowing when and how I'd play," Radmanovic told Rick Bonnell of the Charlotte Observer.

"Phil's system, great as it is, doesn't give a role player much opportunity. For Kobe Bryant, it's great. For Paul Gasol, it's great. But role players don't do much."

"I've been playing 3 and 4 my whole career,'' Radmanovic said. "Obviously I'm a little quicker than most 6-10 guys, so I can guard smaller players."

Economic Woes Are Coming: You had to know the US economy was going to hit professional sports. After all, sports is powered financially by people and corporations, and both are getting killed by the economic downturn. It's been speculated that those franchises that were already somewhat shaky financially would likely be forced to make harsh budget cuts to stay afloat during these tougher times. Some league insiders say that Suns' owner Robert Sarver's willingness to trade Amare Stoudemire and even Shaquille O'Neal may be based on financial concerns. The Memphis Grizzlies have a salary cap number of $51.9 million, the lowest in the league, but are believed to be under that significantly in terms of actual cash paid out due to some of the "cash based" transactions they have done this year. Word is the New Orleans' Hornets may be open to trading off some of their long-term liabilities, including Tyson Chandler because the market conditions for the Hornets are starting to weaken faster than expected. We're far from a team not being able to meet payroll, but with the current Collective Bargaining Agreement set to expire after the 2010-2011 season - the league has the option of extending it through 2012 but must decide on that option by December 15, 2010. If conditions around the league continue to worsen, there are provisions in the current deal tied to TV revenue and economic factors that could allow the league out of the deal even earlier. It's worth noting that it is possible for the salary cap to decrease if overall revenues fall significantly enough. Most insiders believe that revenue in the NBA is mostly flat, meaning as a league the gains made in some markets are off-setting the losses in others mainly due to the NBA's aggressiveness in trying to be fan friendly with pricing and "value added" offers. That may keep revenue close to what it was last year meaning no increases in the salary cap, but as some owners will say the salary cap is arrived at based on league-wide numbers, and does not take into account what a market can truly earn. Expect some of the more questionable teams financially to be even more frugal if the market does not improve into the second half of the season.

NBA and College Basketball Chats: Bill Ingram will hold his weekly chat today at 12pm EST. You can always drop your questions in early. Bill's chat fill up quickly so get your questions in early. We will also be holding out first College basketball chat today - Yannis Koutroupis and Luke Byrnes will rotate a weekly NCAA chat every Monday at 6:30pm EST. Yannis and Luke are HOOPSWORLD's senior NCAA reporters, and cover both college and the NBA for HOOPSWORLD. Drop your college questions in for Yannis, it's his first chat so go easy on him.

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About the Author: STEVE KYLER
Steve Kyler is the Editor and Publisher of HOOPSWORLD. Steve is a life-long basketball fan that started covering the NBA from Orlando in 1998, but has been a huge follower of the game since the mid-80’s. Steve is also an on-air radio personality in Tampa for ESPN radio and appears on dozens of radio shows across the country each week. Steve is an active member of the Professional Basketball Writers Association and is passionately involved in the development of new writers and sports personalities. Steve does not have a favorite team per se, but does root for the underdog in almost every situation. You can reach Steve directly at skyler@hoopsworld.com

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posted By Dave, 9 February 2009 8:20:48 AM
Assuming the Heat are offering Beasley to the Suns, he's the best offer they have, period. But if the Heat are able to pull a Marion/Cook for Amare trade, I'd be extremely impressed.
posted By Piter, 9 February 2009 8:24:29 AM
I like the Miami Package, starting Five of Phoenix would be: Nash, J-Rich, Marion, Beasley, Shaq. Bench would be: Hill, The Blur, Lopez and others. Wow! Also, maybe NY can get in the sweepstakes. They want Amar'e in 2010 anyways. I'd say Lee, some ending contracts and one or two mediumly talented guys might do the trick.
posted By Shawn Marion, 9 February 2009 8:32:00 AM
Why the <blank> should I want to play in Phoenix again???
posted By Toolatecrew, 9 February 2009 8:35:50 AM
Of all the offers I like the Heat best for BOTH SIDES. I know a lot of people say "oh marion is never going back to the Suns" but frankly Marion doesn't get a say in the matter. I'm sure he can survive a 1/2 season back in the Vally of the Suns knowing he's an URFA at year end and can go where he likes. Beasley has real talent and although he's not an Amare type player he certainly can be a good player so its not like they get no Talent in return. He fits better next to Shaq that's for sure. For the Heat I think Amare is a great fit. Yes he complained sometimes about it but truth is he's much more effective as a Center where he can simply out quick and outrun guys rather than depending on skill. On D most centers are great on offense so it hides his defensive deficinencies. He'd be killer running screen roll with Wade or running the break with him. Hasslem is happy to do the dirty work and stay out of the way (unlike Amare Shaq pairing) Yes Beasly is a talent but he's not a power player and those are harder to find. Swingmen are much eaiser. I don't know why anyone is sold on the Bulls deal. Drew Gooden (He's OK I guess), Cedric Simmons(Who?), Thabo Sefolosha(never shown anything much and he'd be behind Jrich and Barbosa) and Tyrus Thomas (raw talent who won't fit atall next to Shaq becuase he can't hit jumpers)
posted By pig, 9 February 2009 8:43:05 AM
marion + beasley for stoudamire would be GREAT for suns
posted By Steve Kyler, 9 February 2009 9:01:55 AM
Hey Shawn... your under contract, your numbers are at an all time low going into free agency - you don't have much say in the matter... you could always try for a buyout - drop $3 million, maybe Sarver lets you walk.
posted By Joe Shafer, 9 February 2009 9:51:04 AM
How about Detroit sends Prince, Sheed, Maxiell and a first round draft pick for Amare, Hill and Barnes.... Pheonix gets a great SF to play next to Richardson, and lets face it Nash and Prince would rock the fast break. They get 13 million in expiring cap money from Sheed, who might be great next to the big Shaqctus. And a PF they could develop for the future at a lower cost that Amare. Detroit gets their man in the paint with STAT. Sending Grant Hill back to were it all started to finish his career should help sell tickets and Matt Barnes has some value to the team. AND we get to seen Dwight and Amare go at each other several times a year....and who doesn't want that!!
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 February 2009 10:08:00 AM
There is an important point here everyone is missing. The Suns are currently in 7th place in the West, three games behind the Hornets for the fourth spot in the West and homecourt in the first round. It may not sound like a lot, but keep in mind that means three good teams have to either maintain their current level or get worse, allowing the Suns to pass them. In that time, the Suns also may have to integrate new players into a system some say has problems and get those player to work well with Nash AND Shaq, not one or the other. If Stoudemire can't do it after a year, how is that going to happen in two months? NONE of these trades get Phoenix homecourt in the first round, and frankly, I don't see a trade out there that will. If that's truly the criteria, I see the Suns as all talk and no action.
posted By embarressed, 9 February 2009 10:46:47 AM
Don't fall for the hype of a "Stoudemire" trade. He can be traded at any time. It's Shaq and Nash that need to be traded by the deadline. Both players are doubtful to be on their team after next season when their contracts end. Trading them now allows you to get a few pieces and trim their salary. Example Suns trade Shaq for Hinrich and expiring Drew Gooden. Hinrich is a valuable NBA player(play one or two) and Suns drop 11 million from Shaq's 20 million. Then trade Nash to Portland for Expiring LaFrentz and Bayless. Or Expiring LaFrentz and Fernandez. Once again dropping payroll next year(Nash's 13 mill to Rudy's or Jarrod's 1-2 mill) I know Portland loves Rudy but to get Nash to run their team would be incredible. Bulls do the trade with Shaq to get a big now. But more importantly shave payroll so they can get into the 2010 Free-Agency. Suns are not trading Amare! He's the only asset that cheap owner has. Look for the aging high-priced vets to be moved.
posted By pers, 9 February 2009 12:13:38 PM
blazers would love nash-that's a fact. How about this three way though (pending a Bosh extension) http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1727~2983~454~2015~1977~2790&teams=28~21~21~28~22~22&te=&cash=
posted By Black Mamba, 9 February 2009 1:22:13 PM
"Phil's system, great as it is, doesn't give a role player much opportunity. For Kobe Bryant, it's great. For Paul Gasol, it's great. But role players don't do much." LOL! what about great role players like Robert Horry, Derek Fisher , Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman. Vlad Rad was major liability on defense and was inconsistant on offense. Great Move by Kupcheck... All the pieces in place for a title run and anything short of a NBA title is a major disappointment....
posted By CentrILMark, 9 February 2009 1:45:08 PM
So, the Beasley/Marion for Amar'e trade, that's a $21 Million deal. That means Phoenix has to part with Barbosa along with Stoudemire their two best young players for Marion's expiring contract and Michael Beasley who nobody has denied is a difficult personality to deal with, and not a power forward. I really don't see Kerr and Sarver doing this deal. Instead, you can keep Barbosa, get your expiring contract(s) Gooden(possibly Ben Gordon w/consent to play wih Shaq and Nash), and you can get Tyrus Thomas who has averaged 15 points and 10 boards with 1.85 blocks on Chicago's latest six game West Coast trip. Thomas is a power forward who has gotten stronger, much more in tune with the game and a much improved team first attitude. If Amar'e really has soured on Phoenix, and they have to make a move, this one makes more sense unless they can get Aldridge and LaFrentz's contract from Portland.
posted By Jason Fleming, 9 February 2009 1:48:00 PM
IF Phoenix could get that deal from Portland they should jump at it, but it's not on the table.
posted By bob, 9 February 2009 5:02:31 PM
Just get ride of shaq and amare will be back to the best PF in the NBA. they are not going to trade Amare if they do who are they going to build around? Matt Barnes? didnt think so its not going to happen.
posted By Smith, 9 February 2009 6:15:49 PM
The idea of Portland giving away Bayless is a little too premature. He has too much potential and I don't see how that helps Portland if we wouldn't get another PG in return, or at the very least Barbosa. Also, maybe one of the writers would know, could Portland get the deal done and turn around and trade Stat before the deadline, or is there a waiting period? I just don't see Portland being the "big player" all the writers seem to think they are. What Portland needs is a good SF that can play some defense and score a little. Guys like Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, Marvin Williams, Richard Jefferson, Shawn Marion, even Gerald Wallace would be better than our ole defense on the wings. KP will do the right thing, and Amar'e isn't it...that is, unless Cleveland would like to make a deal later for LeBron...lol
posted By Not In Our Backyard, 10 February 2009 12:46:44 AM
Yeah, I don't believe the Bayless trade for Stoudemire. Why? Where would he play? PF? Where does LaMarcus go? It's pretty simple for Portland. They have two needs - a point guard upgrade and a small forward upgrade. To me, Stoudemire to Miami makes more sense.



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