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posted By Vic Vega, 25 June 2009 7:44:55 AM
WOW, That deal would be a steal for Houston. I'd say Brooks and Barbosa are close to equal in terms of value so they bassically give up T-Mac and Landry for Amare, wow.
posted By drew, 25 June 2009 8:33:42 AM
Steal for Houston!!
posted By AB, 25 June 2009 8:40:53 AM
Big Mistake, I will Have My Break out Season next Year!!!
posted By Sparky_Hughes, 25 June 2009 8:56:03 AM
Unless the Suns throw a Draft Pick our way, I'm not liking it AT all.
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 8:58:20 AM
The Phoenix-Houston would be really interesting if it went through. Do you think T-Mac would fit in the desert with J-Rick there? What if Barnes and Hill are both re-signed? I think Landry and Brooks would both be good fits. Brooks could learn to distribute more from Nash, and you have a rebounding force and a low-post scoring presence in Landry to replace the departure of STAT and Shaq. Barbosa would be good in H-Town, as he'd get plenty of burn and his share of shots. Think STAT next to Yao would be a good fit? Especially with Scola already playing the 4 and Cook and Hayes on the bench. Houston already have a few bigs. I do realise that other than Yao, none are at STAT's level though.
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 9:01:22 AM
It's an interesting deal, and I can see how Brooks and Landry fit in Phoenix as well as Barbosa in Houston. STAT would be okay as well. Bu what about T-Mac. I'm not liking it if Phoenix re-signs Barnes and Hill, with J-Rich and Dudley already there as well. It'd turn into a bit of a logjam.
posted By TWISM, 25 June 2009 9:07:00 AM
Wow, things are really falling apart in Boston.
posted By TWISM, 25 June 2009 9:10:21 AM
Wow, things are realy falling apart in Boston.
posted By J. Dubb from Houston, 25 June 2009 10:10:51 AM
You all are missing the major point with the T Mac trade. How does he fit in? He might not even play. The trade is more for salary reasons that the actual play of T Mac.
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 10:27:06 AM
@ J.Dubb - Good point. Don't know how I missed the idea of the trade. It's exactly the same as the Shaq-to-Cleveland trade. They get Ben Wallace's expiring $14-million contract in the Clevealand salary-dump (deal), and they get the expiring contract of Tracy McGrady as well as off-loading Amar'e Stoudemire's contract. This is purely another salary-dump, a cost-cutting move for the financially struggling Suns. The difference between the Houston deal and the Cavaliers deal is that the Suns would pick up some nice, developing, and more importantly, young players from Houston in Brooks and Landry, who could be building blocks for the future. Not necessarily a cornerstone for the franchise, but building blocks.
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 10:30:16 AM
@ J. Dubb - I agree. I completely mis-understood the idea of this deal. It's exactly the same as the Cleveland deal in that the financially struggling Suns are making a cost-cutting move in dumping Amar'e Stoudemire's contract and replacing it with the expiring contract of T-Mac. The bonus here, unlike the Cleveland trade, is that the Suns get Brooks and Landry, two up-and-coming, talented, developing, and most importantly, young players for their future. Would be a good move for both teams actually.
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 10:31:45 AM
Whoops! Sorry, didn't mean to double-post. I though an error came up on the first reply. =S
posted By JLP, 25 June 2009 10:38:22 AM
Unless the #14 pick is also included this would be a horrible deal for the Rockets.
posted By J.Dubb from Houston, 25 June 2009 10:43:27 AM
On a good note for them, they only have 22.5 million dollars in salary after this year. That can make them a player in 2010. The problem here is that they will surely lose Steve Nash who won't agree to an extension. Now on the flip side, they can flip those expiring contracts (Wallace, McGrady, Pavlovic) for nice players and get back trade exceptions with lesser priced players. This will help them not dive into the luxury tax threshole.
The players that they have under contract past this year are Richardson, Brooks, Landry, and Dragic. If Nash says he won't sign, he is a vert tradable assett too.
The biggest problem is, why would you sign with Phoenix in 2010? The player that everyone wants to play with will be gone. The coach everyone wanted to play for is already done. The owner is struggling and the talent is below average.
posted By Tim, 25 June 2009 10:47:33 AM
Do you guys ever actually report anything, or just regurgitate articles & internet rumors, and pose questions you can't answer or even offer information on?
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 10:59:31 AM
All very true points. I think it's a good deal for both teams though. You could throw in the #14 to Houston to sweeten it though. Otherwise, Phoenix are definitely in re-building mode, and this would, IMO, place some doubt on Steve Nash trapping himself in an extension with a re-building team when he wants to win. He played the whole situation very smartly, I must say.
posted By WHAT A BAD DISCUSSION, 25 June 2009 11:19:42 AM
guys, just to let you know that amare has an expiring contract as well so they wouldnt be saving money or cost cutting with the T-MAC deal.. Chicago would have a better deal to offer for amare if the phenoix are serious about rebuilding and getting some nice young players.. i anticipate this draft will be full of suprising deals
posted By Occy, 25 June 2009 11:24:57 AM
Speaking of the Phoenix Suns.. I heard a rumour about the Indiana Pacers sending shopping T.J. Ford around, and Phoenix is apparently a possible destination for him. I have no idea who the Pacers would get back though. Anyone else know anything about this one? Or is it just rubbish?
posted By ATTN Suns Management, 25 June 2009 11:31:16 AM
Please DO NOT make this trade! What the !@#$ are you thinking...
Please let this be a joke
posted By ATTN SUNS MNGMT, 25 June 2009 11:33:50 AM
ATTENTION SUNS MANAGEMENT
Please do not make this trade. I would be left wondering what the !#$@ were you thinking? Please let this be a joke
posted By J.Dubb from Houston, 25 June 2009 11:34:30 AM
The point you are missing is that Phoenix is not making these moves to significantly upgrade their roster. They are cost cutting moves.
Robert Sarver (Suns Owner) lost about 92 MILLION dollars this year and his company's stock dropped 91%.
With that said, they are trying to cut cost. McGrady's 23 million coming off the books is much better than Stoudamire's 15 million. In the process, they also get rid of Barbosa's 7 million for 2 more years, in essence savying them even more money.
Moreso, McGrady's contract is insured at 80%. Each game that he does not play, the insurance complany is paying for it. If he does not play this year, that is 18.56 MILLION that Sarver does not have to pay. Chicago does not have that luxury.
If McGrady does come back, he sells more tickets that Hirich or Tyrus Thomas.
Also, Phoenix gets nice young cheap talent in Brooks (great insurance if and when Nash leaves) and Landry.
posted By PY, 25 June 2009 11:44:13 AM
The Suns financial issues have them collecting a bunch of junk parts. Trading for Brooks is their way of telling Nash they really don't want to sign him to an extension. Landry is a good role player, and that's it. McGrady may never even play for them before he's traded again. Don't fool yourself into believing the Suns are dumping salary for 2010, other teams are doing it to sign players like Amare but the Suns already have him, they could probably have just brought in new talent with the trade of Shaq that would appeal to Amare and re-sign him. They are hurting financially, this has nothing to do with them being major players in 2010.
posted By PY, 25 June 2009 11:59:54 AM
Also, If I'm the Rockets I'm not sure I want to ruin the harmony they seem to have by bring in a "possible?" cancer like Stoudemire. A healthy Yao Ming is their first option, that's not going to sit well with Stoudemire, who wants to be the #1 guy wherever he goes. Houston trades for Stoudemire and they'll just be renting him.
posted By T.J., 25 June 2009 12:28:05 PM
When has Peter Vecsey ever been credible? He's been behind a lot of whack rumors in the past
posted By come on guys, 25 June 2009 12:29:57 PM
you know you're going off of something Peter Vescey said, right? That guy will report any "rumor" he hears, doesn't matter where he heard it. For all we know, he could have seen it on a fan message board.
posted By MavsNation, 25 June 2009 8:27:41 PM
What the hell is dallas doing? are they even gettin on the deals and drafts? Whatever happened to Mark cuban "spending anything to get top players"??! come on mavs!Dirk needs for help than antoine Wrong/wright or Siplmeton/Singleton!Are you effing kidding me?
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