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posted By Andrew Matteson, 1 July 2009 1:48:00 AM
BRING HIM TO PORTLAND
posted By Blazers Fan, 1 July 2009 1:54:00 AM
Great article Wendell, I completely agree. I read we were trying to lure Hedo with $50 mil vicinity contract, but why? I could see KP working in some really unexpected trades in order to get the right guy to play the point though. Oh. and great point about field goal attempts...it could get very interesting.
posted By Ripcity4life, 1 July 2009 1:56:00 AM
Well obviously KP loves Hedo if you believe Bergers report on CBS.com. I mean near 50m reasons he loves Hedo for the Blazers IF the report is accurate.
posted By Jasper4P-Town, 1 July 2009 2:03:00 AM
Detroit will pay big for him, and he wants to play in the East. I really don't think Portland gets him. And that is a good thing for Portland.
posted By qw, 1 July 2009 2:04:00 AM
definitely not a need. i don't think the blazers need any players, they just need water, sunlight and a little love and they'll be contending out in the west. they've got a good (if not great) core in aldridge, roy, oden and fernandez. roy and turk sort of have similar styles of play wherein they need to have the ball in their hands to be effective. they're both good playmakers and they might conflict in that area. a leader to go along side those 4
posted By pete, 1 July 2009 2:08:00 AM
couldn't agree more Wendell. I hope this is just KP wagging the dog a little bit and covering his tracks.
posted By wmaxey, 1 July 2009 2:34:00 AM
thanks for reading guys....@andrew: know many feel you on this one.@blazersfan: good looking out....5 for $50million is hard to swallow right now. maybe more so then sharing the shots.@ripcity4life: berger knows what he speaks of.
posted By Smith, 1 July 2009 2:52:00 AM
ok, completely hypothetical situation, but Mike Barrett talked about it, so I'm wondering... Is it possible to sign a free agent, let's say Turkoglu, for another team and trade said FA to the other team? For example, Detroit is said to covet Hedo, is there any scenario that Portland can sign Hedo for his 10 million whatever, and trade him to Detroit for, let's say Tayshaun Prince? How would this situation work?
posted By gates, 1 July 2009 3:45:00 AM
well another hw article that hits hedo. ok guys you hate him you don't want him to earn more. we got it. stop garbage articles about hedo please.
posted By Jeremy, 1 July 2009 4:04:00 AM
Blazers should not sign Hedo. What they need to do is decide who to start at SF, Webster (better shooter), Batum (better defender), or Outlaw (better scorer). also, rather than spending 10m on Hedo, they should use that money to sign a veteren PG (ala Kidd/Miller) and a veteren backup PF (ala McDyess/Smith)
posted By Matt, 1 July 2009 4:31:00 AM
HEDO 2 PORTLAND!!!!!!
posted By no way, 1 July 2009 6:01:00 AM
Hedo is a good player. I absolutely rooted for the magics because of him. But he is not a good fit with the blazers. If KP do decide to bring him in, it will surely stun the growth of Webster and particularly, Batum. I say don't go for it, and get a point gaurd with Bayless playing the backup.
posted By suleymanthesistofattissimo, 1 July 2009 8:21:17 AM
@hoops
guys i dont understand what you are trying to do, first, he is not worth something, then portland needs no hedo...any other hoops writer who would come up something different? why you are all bashing him so mercilessly? i need a clear answer!
posted By pizzsiskooooo, 1 July 2009 8:28:14 AM
@gates, suleyman
agreed upon. there is a clear bias about here. i dont buy it.
this is simple amerikanismus, as german call it. they look some abrakadabras, but they dont know the logic of game. To them, ...okay i give up, useless, i feel myself tired. hedo will be playing for x team, playing a solid team player, contributing as he could be able to.
posted By wmaxey, 1 July 2009 9:05:59 AM
this isn't about bashing hedo....not at atll. you are misreading the piece and unaware of where portland truly needs help if that is the case. that's why the majority of fans in portland aren't down with signing hedo, especially in the range of 5 years for $50 million when there are other more pressing needs.
posted By wmaxey, 1 July 2009 9:08:51 AM
but maybe the plan is to go after one of the top free agents out there to help lure the rest.....maybe an all-in-one point guard and scrappy power forward to back-up aldridge.
posted By crazylegs, 1 July 2009 9:30:00 AM
If I hear one more complaint about having a guy who "needs the ball in his hands" to create, I will vomit. The ball is in a lot of players hands, would it be so terrible to have someone else who can create a shot on his own? What other perimeter player can do that? KP knows a lot more than you do, watch and marvel.
posted By Jason Fleming, 1 July 2009 9:58:00 AM
@ Smith - No, Portland couldn't sign Hedo and then trade him to Detroit, at least not immediately. Check out this link: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q76 - good explanation by the expert. Portland could trade him to Detroit, but not until December 15th, per this explanation: http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q80 Hope that helps answer for you.
posted By What's the Plan?, 1 July 2009 10:27:47 AM
I think all this questioning re Hedo comes down to one thing: he is not traditional 3 (or 2 or 4). Also, Roy has a lot of his skillset. Given this, any team that signs him, especially the Blazers, better have a plan. The Magic showed exactly how to utilize his skills--but do you really want Hedo with the ball in his hands at crunch time instead of Roy? Do you want to pay him $10 mil to camp out on the wing and spot up? You're not paying him for his defense, are you (not terrible, not great)? So if I had a clear sense from KP of the PLAN, I'd feel a lot better about it. Hedo might be worth the $$$ to the right team with the right plan, but right now I don't see it with Portland (and apparently, neither do the HW folks).
posted By wmaxey, 1 July 2009 11:24:13 AM
i hope and know kp knows more than me....that's what he gets paid for.
posted By ckuhns, 1 July 2009 12:19:56 PM
Hedo is a really good player, however, I don't really see how he fits in their system. I think portland would be better off going after a pg, like miller, or if KP really wants a sf go for ariza or artest, who would fit the system better.
posted By Smith, 1 July 2009 12:53:02 PM
hey Jason, just looked up the link, thanks for posting it. However upon reading it, there was another section under Q80 that also said the following: "What's not clear is whether the player's new team can subsequently trade him prior to three months or December 15. While a literal reading of the CBA might suggest that such players cannot be subsequently traded, the league actually considers this situation to be undefined, and won't resolve the matter until a team actually tries to make such a trade.".........so for me the question remains, is it a situational thing that requires league approval, or is it generally just not allowed? I read it 2 or 3 times to make sure they weren't talking about a teams' own free agents, but it clearly says "the player's NEW team." Just a curiosity for me. Thanks Jason!
posted By pete, 1 July 2009 2:13:08 PM
is it possible that Portland is looking at Hedo as being a big trade chip for next summer when so many marquee guys will be on the market for sign and trades?
posted By Jason Fleming, 1 July 2009 2:52:00 PM
@ smith - I see what you mean, it's definitely confusing. However, the way I read that is it is talking specifically about players who were originally signed and traded. For example, if Hedo was signed and traded from the Magic to the Blazers, the question is could Portland then trade him before 12/15? I believe that is the specific situation that hasn't been tested, and there doesn't seem to be any rules or plans in place to address it. It sounds to me like the league doesn't see the need to at the moment, but if someone attempts this they will probably be forced to make an interpretation, then either allow or disallow the move that prompted the review, thus setting a precedent. If Hedo signed with Portland straight up, I think the wording is clear - can't be moved until 12/15. Of course, all of this begs a question: How could a team be so sure they don't want a player BEFORE 12/15 when they absolutely wanted him in July?! Seems like the team in this scenario would want to have done better homework before acquiring/signing the player involved...maybe that's just me. :)
posted By Jason Fleming, 1 July 2009 2:57:00 PM
@ pete - Anything is possible, but I would put that scenario in the very, very unlikely category. If Portland wants Hedo now, it's to help them win a title.
posted By ., 1 July 2009 6:01:33 PM
Hedo sucks, give him the big contract and for sure u got a 14pts 40%FG playa....
Take a powe as LMA's back up, take a vet PG... and let grow the youth together.
posted By Jason, 1 July 2009 6:40:31 PM
The reason why Blazer going after Hedo is because he is a point foward, he is a forward who can pass out 5 dishes per game. That's mean if they can't get Jason Kidd or Andrew Miller, now at least they will have a guy can handle the ball, and he is a guy play 10 years in the league. Looking at the Magic, they got Howard, Lewis, Nelson, and Pietrus. But Blazer is a better team than Magic, with Hedo, they can trade away their young wings players to get another all stars, for example, Micheal Redd or C. Butler.
posted By kuvakvak, 1 July 2009 7:31:48 PM
WHY BLAZERS NEED HEDO
Because Blake is a decent guy, but in a time of crisis, he disappears. Give ball to Roy. But he will be under very, very hard pressure. The man will score, wil read the game, I mean that is too much to expect from a player. And it did not work against Houston. Give him some space, some freedom to move. LMA and Oden needs something special to get easy points, as Dwight does. Hedo can do three different things for them: He can create some space to Roy and Fernandez, and others on the floors. He can handle the ball sometimes, he can feed the long ones. He can soot threes. He can penetrate. He can defense. Even in his mediocre days, Hedo will be a very vital part of Blazers. Dont come to me with numbers, shooting percentage etc.
Natural that things may go differently, but you know, it is valid for all those players and teams. One option for Portlant is to wait for the next summer? Do you think they will allure some of famous NBA guys to come Portland? They have some assets, some young talent to develop. Give them some time. Look at what Howard said about Hedo. simple as that. now cut the crap, get a sleep, and think unbiasedly.
posted By kuvakvak, 1 July 2009 7:37:32 PM
if it is true that raptors plan to offer 60m/6 years, IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO WRITE A NEW PIECE, this time, titled as "DO THE RAPTORS NEED HEDO?" It is so obvious that there is no team in the NBA which needs Hedo, according to your very wisely, very objectively set argumentation. But ...
posted By kuvakvak, 1 July 2009 7:40:56 PM
@hoopsworld
we are, here in Turkey, very upset, I mean very upset, due to your evaluation of Hedo in the last two days. I can only speak for myself, but there are other people here and there who have the same ideas about you.so unfortunate!
posted By wow, 1 July 2009 9:35:12 PM
I didn't know they had computers in Turkey. You guys know that RAM isn't a herd animal, right?
posted By ryan, 3 July 2009 2:13:58 PM
obviously the upper management of the blazers knows more about turk than any of us do.
so you deserve to pass judgement, just quit doubting KP and crew because they have been flawless to this point.
i my self don't believe this is the best move for the team, but right now this is the best move you can make.
you idiots are saying that ariza or hinrich are better than turk.
news flash turks career averages are 12 points 5 rebs and 5 assists. those are solid numbers...
the only thing to complain about is his Defense.
but thinking about it, with turk. the blazers will be the biggest team in the NBA (starting)
blake 6' 3
roy 6' 6
turk 6' 10
aldridge 6'11
Oden or pryzbilla 7'
and then again there is the commitment for 5 years 50 million
Pg Steve Blake 11pts 6 assists
Sg Brandon Roy 23pts 5 assists 5 rebs
SF Hedu Turkoglu 17 pts 5 assists 5 rebs
PF LaMarcus Aldridge 18 pts 2 assists 8 rebounds
C Greg Oden(something better than) 9 points 7 rebs
or
C Joel Pryzbilla 6 pts 9 rebs and 1 block a game
and with players coming off the bench like...
outlaw rudy Oden or Przybilla Webs batum bayless
you can expect 40 points off the bench each and every night and a solid performance from the starters
obviously we have got to get rid of one of our small forwards I.E. webster and move outlaw to the backup 4
the only problem is who do we trade for- blake is a better point guard option for the blazers than anyone who is on the market.
he averages better point and assists and has a better turnover ratio than Hinrich.
he plays better D than andre miller and also shoots the 3 ball much better.
and he is younger than Kidd or Nash
people for some reason are shorting Blakey on his game, they seem to forget how many big plays he made for us last season. He plays exceptional team D and when we bring in Turk we are going to need to play good team D.
we will have the biggest lineup in the NBA
so i believe that the length factor with our forwards will make it difficult for the quick point guards to score
that was blakes main problem last season, is that he couldnt keep the quick pg in front of him forcing Oden to take bad fouls. add a year of experience to Oden and a bigger lineup around him.
you will win more games and a series
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