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posted By Toolatecrew, 27 July 2009 8:50:44 AM
I wonder why we think people on this site have a vendetta against AI?..........Anyway, is this a review of the week or something. you made this long when you didn't have to. The only new "news" is that flip might sign with Philly. Gooden has been mentioned like 4 times on this site before you wrote. lol. .............I also find it funny that a week ago you would have wrote the opposite story to what you wrote this week. Apparently sessions was in NY, Lee in Utah/Portland, Nate in Europe. I still love the site though but this is a poor effort.
posted By Rob, 27 July 2009 8:53:23 AM
I always laugh at the AI hate on this site. That dude has more talent his is little finger than the writers on this site have in heir whole body. He took a terrible team to the finals and will play through injuries. But true...he is rude to the media and bloggers of the world. Of course AI is news but good work putting the disclaimer into cover yourself. Lets see how long till you get your George Bush on and limit my FREE SPEECH.
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 July 2009 9:19:52 AM
The Freedom of Speech does not entitle you to post things on a website... if you want to go stand in the street and expound your thoughts you have the right, you want to start your own site - that too is your right, but the first amendment does not give you rights on a website...
posted By tell da truth, 27 July 2009 9:33:26 AM
steve you guys and other sports site write about allen iverson cause you all know that the people want to know what's going on.reguardless of his so called lame duck status that media outlets like to portray,he is still for some reason one of the most relevant players in the league.people respond to this guy,that's why you guys get so many responses when it comes to an allen iverson artical.a water from another site has even admitted that their site would throw iverson's picture next to the title of a site and include him some way in the artical and the hits on that artical become off the charts.the fans beef with hw writers is that most of you seem to have taken joy in writing allen iverson can't play anymore articals(one of your writers said this).weather he starts or not I think that iverson could beat out 70% of the guards in the league for their spot in training camp.so before you guys continue to put him in a wheelchair,europe,or seat selling bench player let's wait til the ball goes up in the air and see who's gonna be standing.you know every yr the media likes hype up the so called young studs to only watch them get out played by the wiley vets!
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 July 2009 9:47:33 AM
Here is the funniest part about this - I like Allen... as a person and a player, but I also understand that his time in the NBA - meaning his style of play has passed - the league is no longer an isolation game, and isolation players are finding it harder and harder to find roles in the league... Its not just Iverson - Steve Francis and Stephon Marbury are in the same boat... but I agree - Iverson has a huge fan base, and there is a tremendous amount of interest in where he lands.
posted By tell da truth, 27 July 2009 10:13:34 AM
steve,iverson's problem is his ego not his game.and when did this all this no room for good isolation players come about?every single team in the league run a lot of isolation plays all game long.it's good for other players but not iverson?people just want to know why other players haven't been blasted the way iverson has throughout his career.i seen articals that said iverson's 13 shots a game broke the pistons but I have yet to see and artical blasting rip for his very unprofessional attitude he displayed all last season and the season b4 that.rip was a terrible teammate last season.
posted By Clipperfan, 27 July 2009 10:23:27 AM
Steve, you created this discussion in the beginning, with your almost paranoid comments about AI. He is old news and arguably NOT the best remaining free agent, especially if restricted FA's are the discussion, two of whom you mentioned at the top of your article.
posted By WHAAAAAAAATTT???, 27 July 2009 10:53:37 AM
AI as the top free agent left? I guess you people haven't heard about this guy named Lamar Odom?
posted By bozack, 27 July 2009 11:01:12 AM
how about mentioning that Iverson is one of the best players to watch if you are a young guy the size of Iverson and you want to know how to score in the midst of big men. I have a young son and I have him watch Iverson because A.I. is one of the smartest scorers I have ever seen especially at his size. He knows how to use his body to draw fouls, he knows how to use the rim to defend against shot blockers, he knows how to fade away from taller guys who are guarding him and he is the best finisher I have ever seen at that size. As far as isolation plays are concerned...I have seen many players such as kobe, lebron, wade, pierce etc. go one on one in the half court...don't know why this does not pertain to Iverson.
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 July 2009 11:01:41 AM
Is there really any debate on where Lamar is going to sign?... he's either signing with the Lakers or going to Miami...
posted By jason, 27 July 2009 11:06:07 AM
i hope that yi for davis is not going to happen! no way can glen davis keep up with the nets in transition or share the ball with a center that knows how to use it in lopez. kendrick let davis take all those shots it wont happen in nj.
posted By Derek, 27 July 2009 11:07:00 AM
These writers are just telling the truth and all you AI fans just can't handle it. Iverson quit on the pistons last season because he refused to accept being a role player. Also Iverson is a 1 on 1 player in a league that is evolving much more into a TEAM sport. It worked in the 90's but the rules have changed and the best teams seem to have the most balanced talent. If what the writers were saying isn't true Iverson would of found a team by now. And when he does find a team their number one reason for taking him will probably be because he sells tickets. He is a very popular player with fans but not so much among people involved in the NBA
posted By bozack, 27 July 2009 11:20:38 AM
Derek, I respectfully disagree with you. When Iverson was traded to the Pistons, the organization and some of the Pistons players did a bad job of adjusting to the type of player Iverson is. I would actually say the opposite, Iverson tried very hard to adjust his game to the Pistons, but many of those players were stuck in their ways because they had run the same system for years. Rip also openly complained about his role, but somehow that gets whitewashed and no one ever comments on that. If you don't believe me check out the archives on the detroit free press website. How many of the Pistons games did you watch last year? Because I can say without a doubt Iverson tried to blend in with his teammates, but with inept coaching and the decision to stick with Rodney Stuckey and also the decision not to become more of a running team, ultimately put Iverson in a no win situation. In addition, I think many of the Iverson supporters (including myself) feel that some of the writers (including some on this website)seem to enjoy the situation Iverson is in. I don't mind objective criticism of any player but when I start hearing about how Iverson is not a top talent anymore or how there's many other people that a writer would rather watch than Iverson it becomes clear to me that some writers have a personal vendetta against A.I. BTW dwayne wade gets a lot of one on one opportunities and so do players like kobe, lebron, pierce and other prominent scorers in our league. In addition, I don't care what the league is moving away from, you are always going to need players who can make their own shot and or make shots for others. Why do you think guys like Korver, Sczerbiak and other jump shooters have spots on rosters because they have guys whose one on one ability leaves them open for shots.
posted By Derek, 27 July 2009 11:39:48 AM
Bozack.. You do bring up some good points. How Hamilton reacted and acted was over looked by the media and Iverson had a lot of the negative attention. But thats because he is Allen Iverson and people want to read (wether good or bad) about him, not so much Hamilton. But ultimately he quit on the team and really just stopped playing. Don't get me wrong Iverson is a warrior and in his prime one of the most exciting players to watch. I think his only problem is he still thinks he is that player. I dont think Iverson is a top 20 player and whatever team he goes to he's going to take his shots and still try to be the number 1 option. The players you mentioned are all the leaders of their respective squads and also in their prime. Whatever team iverson goes to this is not going to be the case. If he could accept being the player teams want him to be then I would be all for him. But how can you take a player who would rather quit then come in off the bench. He has openly said this. Iverson's mentality is himself first then the team and thats why I beleive he is not a good addition to any team in this stage of his career. Unless it's memphis there dyin over there.
posted By bozack, 27 July 2009 11:51:01 AM
I will give you this point Derek...I think one of Iverson's biggest mistakes was making the comment that he would rather retire than come off the bench. I was listening to a Stephen A. Smith podcast and he said the same thing. A.I. should have just bit his lip and finished out the season as best he could because he already has a reputation at least amongst some owners and front office personnel that he can be difficult to manage and coach. Point taken on that point, but the funny thing is as detrimental as that is to his career it's the same reason people love him for his honesty, his passion and love for the game. I was watching his press conference at his annual charity tournament in Hampton, Va where he was giving out some scholarships and he welled up when he was talking about all of the hits he takes from writers, the media and some fans in general...this guy always gives you raw emotion and though some may criticize his style of play, his shot selection etc..the guy has more heart than most of the players that have come through the league. I just want his name and legacy respected, just like Hoopsworld writers want their work and journalistic endeavors acknowledged and appreciated.
posted By Derek, 27 July 2009 12:36:34 PM
I can respect that. He should and hopefully will be remembered for the great player he was in Philadelphia.
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 July 2009 12:55:31 PM
I think he has to find the "Gary Payton" situation - remember those final years in Milwaukee were brutal for GP... he lands in LA and finds a group he could play with and learns to play a role, he goes on to Miami and gets a ring... Iverson is going through that tough transition from being the man 30 shots a night, to being a part of a team - one GM is gonna take a risk on him - he;s gonna find out he does not have to be the man to win and win big and he'll move on to the next part of his career where he's deep in the playoffs killing guys from the bench - but getting there is a painful process and for a guy that teams are openly concerned about - its even harder... don't make this about hate for AI... he's gotta find the right spot.
posted By Mark, 27 July 2009 2:10:13 PM
Steve - you mention in your article that "The Mavericks still have roughly $800,000 of their median exception to use on additional players." -- isn't want left of the mid-level exception essentially worthless once it is this low, as teams can always sign players to minimum contracts (e.g. veteran's minimum)? Thanks
posted By Steve Kyler, 27 July 2009 2:55:29 PM
The minimum salary for players with more than 2 years of services is $825,497 --- that space would be useful if the Mavericks wanted to sign say 2nd rounder Amhad Nivins to a deal and he's getting offers in Europe - it has value, especially for younger players.
posted By Mark, 27 July 2009 3:32:07 PM
Rob, Did you just make a statement saying that AI is more talented than the Writers? Now I've heard it all. Do you think AI can write like they can?
posted By Rob, 27 July 2009 11:02:59 PM
Shut up Mark...Yeah i said it, the difference is AI don't talk trash about HW and their bloggers. But they do to him, they are terrible at writing and we all know it. Now limit my free speech again Skyler. Do you even understand what i'm saying. Drop the donut.
posted By Joey B, 27 July 2009 11:34:55 PM
Rob it's awesome of you to grace us with your presence here even though it must go against your better judgement (considering how much Hoopsworld writers suck apparently). I bet your schedule was booked pretty solid and I would just like you to know that we all appreciate you juggling things a bit to be able to make the time to read Steve's article and make a few posts. I had no idea you were such a patriot by the way! I bet you were up in the front lines with Limbaugh and the Tea Bagger movement a few months back... You're doing God's work son. Truly remarkable.
posted By Rob, 28 July 2009 6:27:00 AM
go to hell joey you commy
posted By Joey B, 28 July 2009 12:43:12 PM
No worries Rob, I have a feeling you may just beat me there. I love how people take our freedoms in this country for granted and have no idea about the responsibilities that come along with said freedoms. Your freedom of speech is generally granted here on this site (which as Steve pointed out is NOT required) but as soon as you use your freedom of speech in a hateful manor do not be suprised when people respond in a similar fashion or ignore/delete your comment. I personally commend Steve for occasionally deleting some of the drivel that your little mind comes up with. Freedom of speech is not a black and white topic. Like most aspects of life it is a topic that exists in the gray area. Unfortunately it is generally people like yourself that feel the need to push our freedoms to the extreme (simply to get a rise out of people) that generally leads to the need for regulation. So I would like to personally thank you for being that guy. I bet nothing is ever your fault, it is always someone else's. Commy? I got a good laugh out of that one. Do you even know ANYTHING about communism? McCarthyism in classic fashion...
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