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posted By Bryan Colangelo, 28 August 2009 12:20:55 PM
Where is my name on this list? I have been a 2 time Executive of the Year, I've put the Phoenix Suns into a top 3 team by signing Nash, I've put Tdot on the map when they were at their lowest, and orchestrated a brilliant roster this summer of the Raptors. Doesn't that count as somewhere in the Top 55?
posted By hmmm..., 28 August 2009 12:26:02 PM
so mj is less influential than james and kobe.... that gets me thinking... mj is like the godfather of basketball and it was through him did the game begin to expand internationally and it is him who is the global icon... so how does a guy who has a statue of himself outside the united centre not make the top 15 if not the top 10 at least... king james?? cmon his endorsements are overrated and nike is killin themselves coz the james products arent selling as well as they thought it would... also where's yao?? u can't leave him out of the top 15 wen he revolutionized basketball for over 1.4 billion people. i would have laughed if u included anybody from the jailblazers... that would have cost u guys ALL of ur credibility but u guys didn't . so *props* for that.. but other than that.......... oh where's manute bol??
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 12:35:21 PM
Both comments are about history... neither Colangelo nor Jordan are current... we're not talking five years ago or in Jordan's case 7 years ago... Jordan is an icon of the last generation, not the current one... as I stated in the last piece, he's a middle tier executive with a bad eye for talent and will likely be out of a job if the team is sold to anyone other than him... LeBron James has the most influence of any player in the league, as half the league is dumping salary for a shot at signing him... Do a Google search of LeBron James and see how many current article and pages come up... do the same for Michael Jordan.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 12:36:52 PM
This list is not about the history of the game or who built it... its about who is shaping the game today and tomorrow.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 12:39:35 PM
BC... no... actually your past achievements do not get you the list... its about being an innovator, being someone of influence beyond your own situation... hey, I love BC, one of my favorite executives, but that does not mean he is doing anything others are not doing or have not done... Hell Mitch Kupchak deserve a note more than BC, but this isn't about doing your job well either.... its about shaping and influencing the game - neither guy is doing that.
posted By interesting......., 28 August 2009 12:40:42 PM
that Presti was included on the list, but Pritchard was left off.
posted By Dave, 28 August 2009 12:41:48 PM
Conspicuously absent: Billy Hunter, Chaiman of the NBAPA; Derrick Fisher, President of the NBAPA; Micky Arison, Chairman of the NBA Board of Governors; Glen Taylor, President of the NBA Owners Group.
posted By Drew, 28 August 2009 12:56:03 PM
I agree with Dave. I don't know about Footlocker and jerk's Sporting Goods being in the top 10 and Billy Hunter, Chaiman of the NBAPA; Derrick Fisher, President of the NBAPA; Micky Arison, Chairman of the NBA Board of Governors; Glen Taylor, President of the NBA Owners Group are all left out. This list has no cred.
posted By Dave, 28 August 2009 1:09:27 PM
It's Roy-gate part II! I was also surprised not to see a single scouting service - DraftExpress, NBADraft.net, Scout, Rivals... those could all be below 55 I suppose... but they shape, at least somewhat, who scouts are watching, which, in turn, dictates where players will go. The word "value pick" wouldn't exist without scouting services. And "value" can dictate the composition of trades, etc. IMO, they shape the game in a big way.
posted By gates, 28 August 2009 1:12:45 PM
kobe and le bron has more influence than MJ. I know you have explanation for this. every stupid idea has an explanation. but who cares about your explanation. This is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. HW is a joke you all are a joke. This is the last time I am reading this site and this is my last comment.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 1:16:38 PM
Hunter was considered and would have made the top 60 - Micky and Glen Taylor were both considered, but neither is overly visible... their behind the scenes contributions were noted, but lack of visibility inhibits influence - they weren't left out of consideration, they just don't rank in the top 55... Neither would break rank with Stern... On D Fish, I think he's been one of the better presidents and his legacy will be shaped by this next CBA,... but as someone elected by the players, he is tasked with doing their will not his own, so that was a tough one to measure... again was not left out of consideration, just not in the top 55.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 1:19:13 PM
Considered the scouting services too, especially considering Draft Express and NBADraft.net our close friends... that said if you talk to executives, they say they do their own work and while fans base their opinions on those services they are not the trend setters your giving them credit for... again, I think DraftExpress is one of the best in the business and it was hard not to include them.
posted By Marz, 28 August 2009 1:20:57 PM
But Steve, isn't Bryan Colangelo "shaping and influencing the game" by turning the Raptors into a Euro-style team?
He hired a coach revered for his experience in the international game, and his key moves this summer have been acquiring/keeping european talent (hedo, rasho, belinelli, bargs).
If this "experiment" works well, then I'd most definitely consider BC an innovator.
posted By LakersFan-tastic, 28 August 2009 1:31:42 PM
While I didn't expect Kobe to be top 5, given that he had the #1 selling Jersey this past year in USA, Europe, and China (with that kind of following I would think he has some significant influence) I would think he would be able to at least crack the top 10.
posted By Robbie, 28 August 2009 1:38:01 PM
sad to see ESPN so high...Can't believe LBJ is that high...
posted By jerry west, 28 August 2009 2:35:45 PM
No mention of me on top 15. The NBA is still using my likeness on its logo today
posted By Jason Fleming, 28 August 2009 2:44:00 PM
@ jerry - Recognizable to be sure, but influential?
posted By Derek, 28 August 2009 5:34:43 PM
What about yao ming? hes got all of china on his heels
posted By marc pal, 28 August 2009 5:37:08 PM
when is the hype over lebron going to stop? "the chosen one"...the chosen one to do what exactly? he hasn't done anything except build on his stats. can all of you media types stop force-feeding us the fans to believe that he is the second coming of jerry west, michael jordan, magic johnson, and larry bird combined. not only is it disrespectful to those legends but to us fans as well because you media types think we're stupid enough to swallow whatever you want to feed us. get off lebron's jockstrap until he actually accomplishes something!!!!!!!!!! i admit that he will be the most coveted free agent come 2010 but, if you were to "equalize" age as a factor, then kobe, wade, carmelo, allen iverson, etc, etc. would be just as coveted. sometimes you guys are a joke.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 6:01:37 PM
The joke is ignoring that beyond the basketball player --- LeBron is going to make or break at least two NBA franchises in July of 2010.. He is one of the highest paid marketers in the game, and as I mentioned he's amassed over $300 million and is just 24 years old... On yao Ming and others... this list is not about past accomplishments... Jerry West WAS a great influence on the game, as WAS Yao Ming, but both have come and gone in the Basketball world... I would say Yi Jianlian has more "influence" because he's not the typical Chinese athlete - Yao is a Chinese hero for sure, but he's not idolized in China like others in the game. Kobe is more popular in China than Yao.
posted By marc pal, 28 August 2009 6:14:02 PM
300 million at age 24 wow i am amazed. i bet if espn, fsn, tnt, nba.com, nike, and gatorade got behind me i could make a million or two. no screw that, i bet if all those outlets got behind donkey kong, we could put him on the presidential podium. now that's hype!
posted By joe, 28 August 2009 7:15:11 PM
how the hell is iverson not on this list. he transformed the culture of basketball every kid wants to be like iverson rocking his clothes and his crossover move took the nba by storm. you've got to be kidding me that he;s not on this list.
posted By Steve Kyler, 28 August 2009 7:33:10 PM
Iverson?... again your thinking he should be on the most influential list for what he did years ago... not what he's doing to today or tomorrow... Iverson can't get a job on playoff team and he's got influence? seriously?... and yes ESPN could put two Lizards on Sportscenter every night and the world would be Lizard crazy...
posted By This is a stupid list to be sure, 29 August 2009 1:05:56 AM
Why is Sam Presti listed and Kevin Pritchard isn't? Especially after the reasoning for listing Presti, Pritchard has been doing it longer, Presti is following Pritchard's lead. These kinds of "articles" are a joke on so many levels. Jerry West and Michael Jordan, even today, are far more influential than Kobe or LeBron. I could go on, but I think we've had enough from hoopsworld for the last month or so and their would be "expert insight." You guys just need to take a vacation until training camp starts or somebody signs with a new team or somebody makes a trade. Outside of that, don't make crap up, it shows your true colors in the sports journalism world.
posted By No love for the Greatest European player ever, 29 August 2009 3:08:08 AM
Dirk Nowitzki???..heard of him?...he's totally changed the way GM's scout overseas and has totally changed the game at his position....if it wasn't for Dirk would the NBA be where its at and as a global game i don't think so...he's the first true European superstar and oh yeah one a MVP award by the way.....He's one of the 50 Greatest players of all-time and is lowest profile of all of them cause he just flat out plays the game of basketball and isn't concerned about being being a global icon cause he's just a basketball player and that's what he does best
posted By dragonheart, 29 August 2009 3:37:13 AM
im surprised yao ming didnt make the list. he is a global celeb with regards to basketball.
posted By Steve Kyler, 29 August 2009 8:45:00 AM
Dirk is not even the most influential person on his team... Drik is so far removed from influence its not even plausible... and for @a stupid list - you have a choice everyday in what you read... you clearly were interested in the topic, so much so you chose to comment on it... while you may not agree with the list I have received dozens of e-mails directly with compliments on the list from people who will actually be named... so if you'd like to drop me a note directly (skyler@hoopsworld.com) - until then not overly interested in your commentary --- yeah, we'll shut the site down just for you, see you in October.
posted By Steve Kyler, 29 August 2009 8:51:57 AM
On Sam Presti over other executives... Sam is doing a stellar job on every front. You talk to his coaches, his players, agents who deal with, the way he prepares his staff, his team and every aspect of what they are doing is world class --- and hard to explain because what a GM does on a day to day basis is not very public... but Sam is doing a lot of things other teams just simply do not do - far too many to list, and the basketball world is watching... If Sam has success, playoff success - the model for NBA executives is going to change - how many times have you said why on earth did that team hire that guy didn't he run his last team into the ground... Presti is the posterboy for new age executive... Kevin Pritchard is a solid executive, but he is just like every other executive out there in style and pedigree. I like KP and think he is among the top in the business, but he is not changing the paradigm on the job... Presti and Morey certainly have.
posted By Steve Kyler, 29 August 2009 9:00:00 AM
To be honest... my goal was to get this list to the top 50, and after cutting - Yao Ming, Jerry West, Jay Z, Rick Pitino and Ricky Rubio - I came to roughly 55 and could not justify cutting any more... there is not a huge gap between influence, you have to number them to call it a Top 55 list, but we're talking marginal percentage points on Influence which is almost impossible to measure in a statistical way.... The goal was to illustrate the top of the basketball world today and tomorrow... and thats clearly lost in some of the comments because most of you cite historical achievement as reason for inclusion but thats not what this list is about.... what Yao doing today, how about Dirk or Jordan, Jerry West??? - how are these guys shaping the basketball world in 2010?... Lebron will for sure, New York is gonna throw away a season for the shot at him... the 2nd most valuable and visible franchise in basketball is tossing it in for LeBron - tell me they are not doing that?... thats Infleunce baby... the media world is waiting with baited breath for LeBron's next move... like it or not thats how it is.
posted By C, 29 August 2009 9:47:47 AM
If the list was about basketball TODAY, then you should have indicated that.
The name of your list reads: "The most influencial in basketball"
No timeframe was specified.
You also write in your blurb before the top 15 " looked at those that shaped HOW THE GAME IS PLAYED, etc " ... shapED is past tense.
Gotta be consistent.
posted By marc pal, 29 August 2009 2:46:54 PM
the only people holding their breaths for a lebron event are the ones that are infatuated with him. clearly, you belong in that group. "steve kyler, lebron hyperizer" you should contact nike.
posted By robert, 29 August 2009 3:22:43 PM
where are all these guys who almost killed joel for not putting b. roy on the best sg list. this list is nothing but funny. seems like so called basketball lovers can have short memory, they forgot
posted By robert, 29 August 2009 3:25:22 PM
where are all these guys who almost killed joel for not putting b. roy on the best sg list? this list is nothing but funny. seems like so called basketball lovers can have a short memory, they forgot what guys like MJ, magic, west etc. mean for this game.
posted By Steve Kyler, 29 August 2009 6:13:26 PM
You mean by saying something like - "At the beginning of the week we released the first two parts of our 2010 Most Influential In Basketball list."
posted By Steve Kyler, 29 August 2009 6:14:37 PM
Yes... its just me holding my breath for LeBron's free agency... no other media outlets or teams are paying any attention to it.
posted By done withHW BS, 29 August 2009 6:20:21 PM
you nearly put jay-z and RICKY RUBIO on this list? you disgust me. i am never reading a hoopsworld article again. i dont feel like arguing with you about why Jordan is STILL the most important basketball PLAYER ever. The fact that Yao Ming didnt make this list is a joke.
posted By Dwight Howard, 30 August 2009 2:45:42 AM
This list is dumb and very subjective. You said influential?! Kobe is more influential than Lebron. I used to live in a third world country and most people admire Kobe and the Lakers. I also think that Lakers are very influential because you just can't find a place without a Laker lover. Go to China, they like Kobe more than their own, Yao Ming. Lebron may be richer with more advertisements but when it comes to influence all over the "globe" kobe's higher.
posted By DJ, 30 August 2009 7:26:35 PM
Yo steve, can we get a most influential of all time then? 1. Jordan 2. Kareem 3. Magic.....
posted By Wat a joke!, 31 August 2009 1:52:14 AM
Steve Kyler is the worst writer ever!!! Mark Cuban? are you serious? d a m n u s u c k
posted By PY, 31 August 2009 2:18:24 AM
I don't know if I'd call George Raveling "a coaching legend".
posted By Dave, 1 September 2009 4:18:15 AM
Why/how are merchandise retailers influencing basketball so much? They supply what the customer's want to buy already. Why list CEOs? Do you seriously think they are influencing basketball directly? Their concern is solely about their stockholders.
Governing bodies (NBA, FIBA, NCAA), TV network revenue is huge, team owners and management (especially the spenders), lawyers/agents/unions are huge, jerk's CEO? - why not throw in Walmart? They sell more video games, shoes, basketballs etc?
posted By eric, 3 September 2009 10:03:28 AM
This list has been made as the basketball has only been played in usa.I am from europe and we had some players and coaches who made history in european and world basketball.
Check out this name DEJAN BODIROGA
"bodiroga schools anthony"-youtube
posted By PER, 3 September 2009 10:22:57 AM
Steve I have a hard time believing that the president of ESPN is more influential then the president of FIBA...your information is very subjective and your PER is 0
posted By Peter, 4 September 2009 12:26:04 PM
Watch out for the Angelopoulos brothers, ranking in at 39. Next year with all the free agency you will see what these guys will do. They love their own team and what them to do good, its not about the profit for them.
posted By Andrew, 5 September 2009 1:52:29 AM
Great list. There are a few things I disagree with but overall is a great list.
As far as all the whining going on and people threatening not to read Hoopsworld anymore, I think most of those people aren't even Hoopsworld regulars. They probably found the link to this site on some other site and came here to post their comments. So who cares if they won't read this site anymore? It's not like they used to read it in the past anyway.
posted By HW is awesome., 5 September 2009 3:13:16 AM
Man, some people will get made over anything. The only joke around here is these stupid haters. If you don't like the list/hoopsworld, then stop coming here. I dare anyone of you haters to even try and make your own list and post it somewhere. You are bound to make someone angry. People get over yourselves. Props to Steve Kyler.
posted By Sandman, 7 September 2009 11:41:43 AM
Love this article, Steve. These clowns who rip you should post their own list. They couldn't write down 50 of anything. Great read!
posted By The Augustus, 9 September 2009 8:58:13 PM
What about Tim Duncan or Greg Popovich? Tim Duncan is unquestionably the best power forward of all times; Greg Popovich, along with Bufford (thank the Holy Trinity you mentioned him), transformed the Spurs into the winningest team of the decade in ALL four major sports. Perhaps they are not worthy of being in the top 15, but certainly they are worth being mentioned in the top 55!!
posted By The Augustus, 9 September 2009 9:02:47 PM
It's an interesting list anyway. I give you credit for brainstorming and compiling this list.
posted By Mitchell, 13 September 2009 5:57:33 PM
Goodness, there are some childish people out there. If you don't agree with the article, try and explain why in an adult, rational manner. Don't throw out immature insults and whine about it. Of course this list is subjective, and not everyone is going to have the same opinion. Personally, I would agree with the sentiment that Kevin Pritchard should have been on this list - given his history of deal making, and the decisions he has to make regarding the future of some of his existing players, I believe it likely that he will have a strong and direct influence on the NBA map over the next twelve months, probably as much or more so than Sam Presti. However, I am not going to call Steve Kyler names because his opinion differs.
Regarding the likes of Yao Ming, for instance, I can entirely agree with his omission. Yao is a certifiable legend in Chinese basketball, but he is not going to be playing for the next season, so he won't be attracting new fans. He is unlikely to opt out at the end of the year because he has $17m guaranteed for next season, and coming of a serious injury, in an uncertain economic climate, it would be foolish of him to do so. Some of you guys seem to be thinking in terms of past glories or reputation - Yao, Iverson, Jordan - and not who will be having the biggest impact on the game over the next twelve months, which is what the writers were aiming for in this piece.
posted By Tyler, 22 September 2009 5:05:32 PM
Great list! Subjective but that's what writing is people, unless we want to read a 400 page report this is great...stop whining and go to espn.com then (They'll talk about Lebron :)) goos stuff Steve
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