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Nuggets, Pistons Perfect Trading Partners

By: Travis Heath   Last Updated: 6/5/08 2:20 PM ET | 3499 times read
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Joe Dumars is angry, really angry.  He's so angry, in fact, he told media in Detroit yesterday at the press conference to announce Flip Saunders firing that he's open to trading anyone on the team's current roster.

"I don't have any intention of coming back with the same group," Dumars asserted in an almost defiant tone.  "But, nor am I going to give these guys away.  These are good players and I am not going to take mediocre players back just to say we made some changes.  I've got to get value back."

Really?  So the Pistons would actually be willing to part with the likes of Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups and Rip Hamilton?

"Make no mistake, everybody's in play now," Dumars said.  "There are no sacred cows here.  I have no interest in completely ripping the team down, but will I look to make like significant changes?  Yeah, you're damn right I will."

Of course, the challenge remains finding a willing trade partner.  And even once one is found, trades are always much easier to talk about philosophically than to actually consummate.

All that said, the Denver Nuggets are also a team that is willing to shake things up after being eliminated from the playoffs in the first round for the fifth consecutive season.  Could the Nuggets be just the kind of willing trade partner Dumars is looking for?

Denver's brass has said they'll look at every possible scenario this offseason, and there are no doubt plenty of possibilities in Detroit. 

For starters, Billups is a guy the Nuggets could take a long look at it, and the Pistons might be ready to move him given his age and the stellar play of rookie Rodney Stuckey in the postseason.  The Nuggets could start by building a package around center Marcus Camby who would give the Pistons the inside shot blocking presence the team has lacked since the departure of Ben Wallace to Chicago in the summer of 2006.  In addition to being a Denver native, Billups is also a point guard with the kind of size the Nuggets have been looking for to complement Allen Iverson in the backcourt. 

However, Billups has never been a pass-first point guard which could cause problems if he were to team-up with Iverson.  Moreover, Billups has three years and a fourth-year team option left on a contract which will pay him $11-million next season and increases by basically $1-million annually through the 2011-2012 season.  That is certainly one heck of a salary for the Nuggets to absorb.

The Pistons and the Nuggets could also expand the deal to include multiple pieces.  The Nuggets could package Iverson, Camby and Kleiza in exchange for Billups, Wallace and Antonio McDyess, a deal which would work under the cap.

The aforementioned deal would undoubtedly shake up both squads.  The Nuggets would inherit another potential headache in Wallace.  However, when Wallace has his head screwed on straight -- which hasn't happened frequently enough for Dumars' liking in the past couple of seasons -- he's a formidable defender and almost impossible to guard on the offensive end. 

Furthermore, given the fact Wallace will be in the final year of his contract next season makes it somewhat less risky of a move from Denver's perspective.  It's also worth noting that Denver VP of Basketball Operations Mark Warkentien is familiar with Wallace as a result of their days together in Portland and has a great deal of respect for what he brings to the table.

The deal would also allow two former Nuggets a chance to come home in Billups and McDyess.  Billups would give the Nuggets another fan favorite to offset the loss of Iverson at the box-office, and he would also give Denver a bigger and better defender at the point.  McDyess would bring a much needed mild-mannered, veteran presence to a locker room full of strong personalities.

For the Pistons, there would definitely be some concerns with regard to whether or not Iverson and Hamilton could coexist given Iverson's propensity to over-dribble and Hamilton's game which is dependent on a good point guard delivering the rock when he comes off of screens.  Still, with a scorer like Iverson, a shot blocker like Camby and a developing young scorer in Kleiza, this is a deal the Pistons would have to consider.  And much like Wallace, if things don't work out between Iverson and the Pistons, Detroit could simply let him walk after the season.

The Nuggets and the Pistons will no doubt talk to one another in the coming weeks.  However, it's important to remember that blockbuster trades aren't easy to pull-off these days for a variety of reasons.  That said, both teams appear truly motivated to shake things up this summer and it's hard to imagine either team finding a more willing trade partner.

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About the Author: TRAVIS HEATH
Travis Heath has covered the NBA for HOOPSWORLD for three years, powering HOOPSWORLD.COM. He is a member of the Professional Basketball Writer's Association and has been featured as an analyst on networks such as CNN, Altitude TV, NBA Radio on Sirius, ESPN Radio, and Fox Sports Radio.

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posted By anon, 5 June 2008 9:26:04 AM
"Rasheed Wallace, Tayshaun Prince, Chauncey Billups, Rip Hamilton and Rasheed Wallace?" Wait, they're going to short-sell Rasheed? Trade him twice?
posted By Travis Heath, 5 June 2008 10:25:48 AM
Obvioulsy a misprint on my part. However, I don't know if you've had a chance to listen to Joe Dumars in the last 48 hours, but he would probably be open to trading Sheed twice if it was in any way humanly possible. :)
posted By Owen, 5 June 2008 1:25:25 PM
sheed prince this years num 1 and future num 1 for melo and nene
posted By Dave, 5 June 2008 1:33:18 PM
This trade scenario you laid out is pretty intriging however as a Pistons fan who watches all their games, Chauncy's defense is not as good as you might think. He is bigger than Iverson obviously, but smaller younger guards are starting to blow by Chauncy as he ages. Food for thought.
posted By Kayyce, 5 June 2008 1:55:23 PM
I would really like that trade from Detroits standpoint... Kleiza would be a nice addition alternating between him and Maxiell. Camby and Prince would be a nice shot blocking combo. Iverson would be perfect becuz he CAN pass and this would be the first VETERAN/PROFESSIONAL minded team he would be a part of. Plus you know he would respect Joe Dumars. Good article!!
posted By Travis Heath, 5 June 2008 2:03:07 PM
That's an interesting idea you propose, Owen. Prince would give the Nugs the defensive presence George Karl has been coveting. However, I think it might take more to pry Melo away just based on the conversations I've had with people in Denver's organization. Dave, you also make a good point about Chauncey. I would agree that he is not a great defender and seems to have lost a step. That said, he seems willing to defend, which is something Denver needs more of. Kayyce, Iverson is a capable passer. However, he tends to over-dribble and this could neutralize some of Rip's effectiveness (not mention frustrate him).
posted By Phil, 5 June 2008 3:12:53 PM
Overall not a bad trade proposal. However, I seriously doubt Dumars would do the AI for Billups part. It is well known/speculated in Detroit that Dumars turned down an AI for Billups trade prior to AI going to Denver. I doubt that anything that has happened these past two seasons that has changed his mind, especially with AI being 33. AI’s game is dependent on quickness and speed which starts to escape athletes around that age where Billups strength is his size, shooting ability and passing. I could see Dumars exploring the Sheed for Camby and Kleza part but doubt the Billups/AI part would happen. Sheed for Camby/Kleza is actually pretty realistic given Sheed’s big expiring contract, Camby still having 2 years left and Klezia in the last year of his deal (which Denver probably will not pickup since they already have big contracts with Nene, Martin and Melo all playing his SF/PF position). Plus what you mentioned about AI and Hamilton is probably enough to stop the trade already. Take away the Billups/AI part and I think we may have a deal.
posted By Phil, 5 June 2008 3:29:39 PM
Another trade I like is the one Owen posted but I also believe you would have to give up more for Melo (and take more back in bad contracts). My trade looks like this: Sheed, Prince, Maxiel, 09 1st round pick , possible protected 1st round pick For Melo,Nene,Hunter Both my trades work in real GM (not that really means anything other than they work out cap wise).
posted By ohtallman, 5 June 2008 11:37:24 PM
As a Pistons fan, I wouldn't touch Melo with a 10-foot pole. Interesting that so many Nugget fans seem to be eager to trade him. He is the antithesis of a Piston: work ethic, character, team-first, defense. 0 for 4.
posted By chickpeter, 6 June 2008 11:33:37 AM
This is truly the worst idea for a trade (from the Pistons' perspective) that I've seen yet!
posted By jalderman85, 6 June 2008 11:45:46 AM
Great story. Would Denver ever think of parting with Melo, say packaged with Kleiza for Wallace, Prince, and McDyess?
posted By hmm, 6 June 2008 2:47:30 PM
the author offers a real poo poo platter in exchange for the pistons players. iverson and camby? why would the pistons trade one set of aging inadequates for another?
posted By Tripp Dubb, 6 June 2008 4:55:35 PM
That trade will not work mr. Heath.Iverson probably wouldnt succeed in the Piston's halfcourt offense as a pg.With the Pistons trading Chauncey Billups,Iverson would have to play the pg.Then you have the Nuggets with Rasheed Wallace,Kenyon Martin,Antonio Mcdyess,and Nene all trying to log minutes.Not only that but the Nuggets already have 25 million invested in Nene and K Mart.I doubt they want either one of them coming off the bench and I doubt Wallace would want to either.And in final I just dont think either team would get better.I would have to think the Nuggets get the better half of the deal.They get a pg and they already have someone to fill Iverson's shoes in J.R. Smith.The Pistons however would have a frontcourt crisis and a pg dilemma.Jason Maxiell isnt a starter in the NBA and I doubt Joe Dumars would be comfortable with Iverson playing the pg.Id rather see Prince,Billups,Maxiell,and a 1st rounder for Melo and Camby.That way both teams dont have significant problems with their starting lineups.You'd have Billups,Iverson,Prince,Martin,Nene for the Nuggets.Then Wallace,Mcdyess,Carmelo,Hamilton,Stuckey.You'd still have Wallace and or Mcdyess for trade bait.Theres been rumors that Wallace could be traded to the Bobcats for a player and their top 10 pick.That would give the Pistons a young core to build around yet still be competetive.
posted By Dtown33, 6 June 2008 5:50:29 PM
We want Carmelo!!!!!! We will give you Prince and Billups
posted By Travis Heath, 7 June 2008 1:35:08 PM
Great takes, everyone. The thing that is most striking to me after communicating with a number of Piston fans over the course of the last 72 hours or so is how split people seem to be at the prospect of acquiring Melo. Some love the idea and others just hate it. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground on this one. I will say this, though: if the Pistons want Melo, they are going to have to come get him. The Nugs aren't going to give him away. The Pistons are going to have to give up a lot to get Melo, probably more than most Piston fans would want to. I'm not saying he's necessarily worth that much, I'm just telling you that is what it's going to take to get him. I think Denver would be much more willing to part with Iverson due to the simple fact that he's 33 years of age. And for those who say Iverson is slowing down, he really isn't. Trust me, I've covered the guy and seen every game he's played since he arrived in Denver. Does he have his faults? Sure, but these are the same faults he's always had and really have nothing to do with age. That said, it's reasonable to believe that he might start slowing down in the next couple of years, but he's still a guy who can play 40+ minutes a night at present. I think Billups will actually break down before Iverson. Finally, my proposal is just one possibility among many. My point was that there is a deal to made here. The final shape that deal might take is not yet known. And Tripp Dubb, I respect your take man, but the Nugs having Nene, K-Mart, Wallace and McDyess vying for minutes is no different than last season when they had K-Mart, Camby, Nene and Eddie competing for minutes. Under this regime the Nuggets have always believed the more bigs the better, especially with the injury history of Nene and K-Mart. Also, it's certainly not outside the realm of possibility that the Nugs pull-off more than one trade this summer if they do end up overloaded at any one position. However, as I said, the Nugs believe the more bigs the better.
posted By Josh, 3 November 2008 1:49:50 PM
Iverson is going to be a beast on the pistons.



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