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By: Travis Heath   Last Updated: 7/27/08 11:04 AM ET | 2354 times read
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There have been some changes made in the Western Conference this summer, and there will likely be some more before it's all said done.  Here's a look at the way the conference shapes up today with the rosters as currently constituted.

1. Los Angeles Lakers - The Lakers were the odds on favorite to win it all heading into The Finals last month.  Since that time, they've lost Ronny Turiaf.  That might sound like a little bit of a problem for LA until you remember he will be replaced on the active roster by some kid named Andrew Bynum.  Simply put, if Bynum is healthy the Lakers will be the favorites again in the West next year barring a major by one of the other top teams in the conference.

2. San Antonio Spurs - The Spurs were still the second best team in the West last season, although it was clear they had become a little long in the tooth.  With over the hill veterans such as Horry and Michael Finley likely not coming back and a very underrated Roger Mason Jr. being introduced into the fold, the Spurs will be very tough next year.  And at the end of the day, as long as Tony Parker, Manu Ginobili and Tim Duncan are playing at their customary All-Star levels, the Spurs will be contenders each and every season.

3. New Orleans Hornets - The Hornets needed some added punch off their bench and arguably overpaid to get James Posey.  That's not to say Posey won't help, but now there's a lot of pressure on him to deliver the likes of which he didn't experience in Boston.  In New Orleans, the Hornets are counting on him to be their version of Robert Horry.  Ultimately, though, the Hornets will go as far as Chris Paul takes them.  If Tyson Chandler and Peja Stojakovic play at an All-Star level, too, the Hornets will have the ability to knock off anyone come playoff time.

4. Utah Jazz - The boys from Salt Lake City were nearly unbeatable last season after acquiring Kyle Korver.  This summer, the team re-upped Deron Williams and also acquired a veteran back-up in Brevin Knight to spell him during the 82-game grind.  Utah is probably just one piece away from being the class of the West.  If the Jazz can find a way to move Andrei Kirilenko and acquire a piece like Luol Deng, Utah could be a major threat to win it all next season.

5. Houston Rockets - Stop me if you've heard this one before: if Tracy McGrady and Yao Ming stay healthy, the Rockets could make some noise in 2008-09.  Unfortunately, it just never seems to materialize.  As it stands now, the Rockets are a playoff team but probably not a true contender.  Anyone else think Houston should strongly consider moving McGrady to Detroit for Chauncey Billups and Tayshaun Prince?

6. Dallas Mavericks - How much does future Hall of Famer Jason Kidd have left in the tank?  Maverick fans had better hope quite a bit because he's going to have to be at his absolute best for Dallas to have any chance of rising into one of the top-four spots in the West.  There's no doubt Dirk Nowitzki is still a stud, but the West is just far too tough for Dallas to be considered an elite team.  The big question for Dallas is whether or not Josh Howard will return next season, and how much of an impact will new coach Rick Carlisle have on a team that was in disarray at the end of last season.

7. Phoenix Suns - Kobe, tell me how my ___ tastes?  Unfortunately, people will likely be talking much more about this comment than they will about the Suns' chances of competing for a title next season.  While Phoenix looks like a sexy choice on paper, the reality is Steve Nash is a year older and will no longer be playing for the head coach whose wide-open system helped him win two MVP trophies.  In addition, while Shaq can still talk a good game, his ability to produce between the lines has decreased substantially over the last two years.  The bottom-line is the Suns are a team in transition masquerading as a contender.

8. Denver Nuggets - People are sleeping on the Nuggets.  Yes, losing Marcus Camby and Eduardo Najera will hurt.  However, Chris Anderson and Dahntay Jones are two cheap pieces that have the potential to contribute defensively, which is an area the Nuggets are in desperate need of help.  All told, the Nuggets will still have a starting lineup that features Carmelo Anthony, Allen Iverson, Nene and Kenyon Martin with a young stud like J.R. Smith likely first off the bench.  Does that group make Denver a true title contender?  Probably not.  But it's also a group that will likely be better than most people seem to think they will be.

9. Portland Trail Blazers - Portland was right there knocking on the door of the playoffs last season and will be there again in 2008-09.  The real x-factor will be how quickly Greg Oden comes along.  If he exceeds expectations, the Blazers could easily jump into the playoff fray come April of 2009.  In some ways, Portland almost has too much young talent thanks to the great job Kevin Pritchard and his staff have done over the course of the last few offseasons.  One has to wonder whether or not the Blazers might consider trading some of that young talent for a veteran piece to help them move up the Western Conference ranks.

10. Los Angeles Clippers - As much as Clipper fans don't want to hear it, Camby is just not a replacement for Elton Brand.  A lineup of Brand, Baron Davis and Kaman would have given the Clips a great shot at making the playoffs.  As currently constituted, though, a lot of things are going to have to go right for LA just to get in.  The injury history of Davis, Camby and Kaman has to be downright scary for Mike Dunleavy & Co.  In a normal year, the Clippers would likely be a playoff team.  Unfortunately, the West is currently an extraordinary conference.

11. Golden State Warriors - This team will still be fun to watch next year, as any team Don Nelson coaches always is.  That said, losing Davis to the Clippers was not something the Warriors were expecting no matter how they try to spin it after the fact.  For the long-term future of the franchise, losing Davis might not be that bad of a thing.  However, for next season it's going to hurt.  Expect the new look Warriors to put up a ton of points, but also expect them to fall well short of the playoffs next season.

12. Sacramento Kings - It wouldn't be surprising to see Ron Artest in another uniform come November, and that's just as well because the Kings won't make the playoffs with him on the roster, anyway.  It's time for Sacramento to cut their losses and look to rebuild around Kevin Martin.  If the Kings can move Artest and Brad Miller for some combination of salary cap space, draft picks and young talent, this team could be relevant again by 2010.

13. Memphis Grizzlies - O.J. Mayo is as NBA ready as any rookie will be.  In the long-term, a combination of Mayo and Rudy Gay has the potential to turn Memphis into real players in the West.  Unfortunately for Grizzly fans, though, 2008-09 will likely be another year that features far too many checks in the loss column.

14. Minnesota Timberwolves - The Timberwolves will be better than they were a season ago.  Of course, the truth is it would be hard to be much worse.  The team took a risk by giving up Mayo for Kevin Love, but Love looked very good in summer league.  That said, Love is not a go to guy and the Wolves will need to acquire complimentary pieces around him as the years go by.  Al Jefferson is a stud and will be a very good player in the NBA for a long, long time.  The guy who really needs to stay healthy and step up next season is Randy Foye.

15. Oklahoma City TBA's - Kevin Durant is going to be a heck of a player.  Unfortunately, he's going to be a heck of a player on a bad team for at least the next couple of seasons.  GM Sam Presti is trying to rebuild this team from the ground up, which is probably the smart way to go.  That said, selecting Russell Westbrook over Jerryd Bayless could haunt the team formerly known as the Sonics for many years to come, especially considering Bayless ended up in Portland with the division rival Blazers.

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posted By Gumpspeed, 27 July 2008 11:12:02 AM
I love how people doubt the Suns chances. They always bring up Shaq as if he is the guy thats going to carry us. Why didn't they mention 25 year old Amare Stoudemire? He is better than any Poward foward in the west. I'll take Shaq all day long over Bynum this year. Nash's stats aren't complaining about his age. Make your prediction off of unsubstantiated facts.
posted By Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 11:51:18 AM
Stoudemire is a stud, there's no question about that. While YOU might take Shaq over Bynum this year, I bet Steve Kerr (or any other GM in the league for that matter) sure wouldn't. Nash's stats are fine and dandy, but at the end of the day the only stat that matters is playoff victories. Also, Nash is a year older and playing for a different head coach now. If the Suns finish any higher than the sixth seed, I'll be absolutely shocked.
posted By Htown, 27 July 2008 12:12:30 PM
Donte Greene will be a transition nightmare for most teas.My Rockets could do some things with our new pickups.All Yao and TMac needed was some decent scorers around them and Yao had never missed a playoff game b4 last year.
posted By HTown, 27 July 2008 12:21:57 PM
No the Rockets shouldnt trade Tmac 4 Prince and Billups.Prince is another Battier and Billups is a year older.They just a 3rd scorer like every other team in the playoffs last year
posted By Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 12:58:29 PM
Remind me again how many playoff series McGrady has won? And last time I checked, Prince and Billups both have a ring. Look, it COULD work out and Houston COULD be a contender. But that's what we say every year. How long until Houston decides to go in another direction?
posted By Htown, 27 July 2008 1:05:21 PM
Travis Heath its not about Tmac its a team effort.The 1st playoff year we had TMac against Dallas Tim D already said they cheated that series and you can got to You tube and check it.Next was back to back years against Utah and no Yao last yr when we found a stride.
posted By Htown, 27 July 2008 1:09:17 PM
Phoenix on the other hand had a lineup of Stoudemire,Nash,Marion,Joe Johnson,Barbosa,Bell all scorers and still dont win a title.Great management until yall got Kerr.Phoenix has never had a problem with scorers my Houston team owner doesnt spend money like that Les Alexander has had 6 rings 2 Rockets 4 Comets.He wont even get a free agent cause he's scared of going over the luxury Tax.Each team is structured different
posted By Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 1:17:49 PM
I agree, HTown, that last year's playoff loss was definitely not McGrady's fault. All I'm saying is that at some point it's time to admit it's not working and move on. I think a lineup that features Yao, Prince, Billups, Battier, etc, would be one hell of a lineup. If the Rockets want to give it another year as currently constituted, that's fine by me. I just think it's crazy to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result year after year. Thanks for reading.
posted By Bill Ingram, 27 July 2008 1:26:14 PM
I agree, Travis. The Rockets need one more run with this group. If they can't stay healthy it's time to accept reality. If they're healthy and still can't win. . .that's a bigger problem.
posted By thunder, 27 July 2008 2:10:22 PM
rockets need to trade either t-mac or yao not because their always injured but because that combo cannot win. lets look at their first year together when both were healthy. They lost to dallas being up 2-0 and had a chance to close out the mavs on their home floor. In their second year they did not make the playoffs both were injured. Their third year both were healthy for the playoffs. First time in their careers they had home court advantage. Were up 2-0 and lost game 7 at their home floor. Aren't 90% of teams up 2-0 supposed to win the series. last year yao was injured and t-mac carried them to the playoffs with home court adavantage. They lost yet again. In conclusion this combo cannot win together.
posted By joey, 27 July 2008 2:18:32 PM
Travis still has his heart in Denver if he thinks the Nuggets are better then the Clippers. So Denver’s injury history shouldn’t be a red flag. Last time i checked, they still had the brittle Brazilian, Kenyon "No Knees" Martin, and JR Smith who has a better chance of appearing on an episode of Cops then playing in an All Star game... The Nuggets lose their defensive anchor and Najara who was arguably their best bench player and replaced them with veteran minimum players and if you still think they will make the playoffs you must be smoking the same stuff that got Birdman suspended from the league…
posted By Htown, 27 July 2008 2:24:27 PM
Thunder the Rox couldnt have closed out Dallas on their floor cuase they had lost 3 games in a row to be down 3-2 and lost game 7 in Dallas.Travis Battier and Prince are the same players on D but neither provide enough Offense.Thats why we brought in Rick Aldeman get some pts.That Utah home game 7 loss hurt I was there to see the collapse.All I want NBA fans to see is look at all the other teams in the playoff bracket.Even Atlanta had a 3 headed monster that scores in Smith,Johnson,Horford.Ginobili/Duncan/Parker,AI,Anthony,JR Smith. Everyone has 3 consistent scorers just ask Boston.We aint giving up sh*t down here just need another scorer which our new GM Darryl Morey is on now.Yao is a money train and TMac is a star so why not add on to it like other teams.I dont hear anyone saying trade Carmello and he's 0-5 in the playoffs
posted By HTown, 27 July 2008 2:28:20 PM
I dont know Joey I think Nuggets still are better than Clippers due to the fact Clippers lost Brand and Maggette.AI and BD cancel each other out and Thornton is not a Carmello yet
posted By Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 2:34:25 PM
So Joey... you're telling me that a combo of Baron and Camby is going to win more games than a combo of Melo and Iverson? The Nuggets have plenty of issues and aren't going to win a title next year, but they are going to win more games than the Clippers. As much as I love Camby as a person, he's overrated defensively due to the fact that he's actually a below-average on the ball defender. Najera's professional attitude will be missed no doubt. But I think you'll see that the Nugs -- assuming they don't make any other moves this summer -- will be just about as good next season as they were last season... which will be good for the 7th or 8th seed in the West. BTW... as for J.R. Smith... he's got to show he can do it consistently. However, in case you missed it, he was the Nuggets most consistent player during the final two months of last season and during the playoffs. Moreover, the Spurs have interest in him but don't want to sign him to an offer sheet for fear that Denver will match. Put simply, Popovich and Co. usually don't have interest in guys who they don't believe can be very good/very consistent players.
posted By abc, 27 July 2008 2:49:08 PM
Comments. 1. Andrew Bynum is way overrated. He played well for 35 games and suddenly hes going to bring a championship to the lakers next year. Well Bynum and Gasol's offense overlap and odom who cant shoot will play small forward and his production will go down too. 5. t mac should move, but not for prince and billups. 6. I think dallas is going to fall off. They won 1 game with kidd over a .500 team. I think theyre in the fight with the clippers for the 8th seed. 8. Denver is not going to make the playoffs. nene and k mart are always injured and the just lost their defense for nothing. Either way theyre going out in the 1st round again. 10. Clippers on paper could be in the playoffs. I think denver, dallas, portland and los angeles clippers are all teams that could get into those last two playoff spots. Htowns - yeah they lost brand and maggette for baron davis and marcus camby. Maggette had to leave. He doesnt play defense and although a talented scorer hes a dime a doezen in the nba. Marcus Camby doesnt make up for brand but without davis brevin knight would still be their starting point guard which is scary. I think denever will still win games but they will still be 1st round exits.
posted By Joey, 27 July 2008 3:18:20 PM
What irked me about your analysis was how you used the injury card on the Clippers yet didn't use it on the Nuggets who are as injury prone if not more then the Clippers. Just talk about calling the kettle black considering the injury history of the Nuggets. It’s obvious that Camby and Baron aren't as good as AI and Melo but Camby isn't the Clippers second offensive option, Al Thornton is. Will PF's in the NBA give Camby trouble, not any more then SG give undersized AI trouble. AI is a big reason that the Nuggets are such a defensive mess. As a collective if you like the Denver roster more then the Clippers roster then I would think that you’re crazy but I would have respected that more then the injury prone card…
posted By thunder, 27 July 2008 4:22:20 PM
Htown, what I meant was houston could have closed out the series at their home floor. they were up 2-0 and the next two games were in houston.Or they could have been up 3-1 and finished the mavs either in dallas or in houston. ok maybe you can blame it on ref conspiracy or inexperience but you can't blame a game 7 loss on your home floor on conspiracy or inexperience. on your 3rd scorer theory, who was the 3rd scorer for miami when they won the title.
posted By Jas, 27 July 2008 4:26:05 PM
I disagree with your ranking and assessment of the Suns' roster. By adding Robin Lopez and Matt Barnes, they've become deeper, meaning that Shaq, Grant Hill, and to a lesser extent Raja Bell, won't have to spend as much time on the court. And Barbosa can always backup Nash, so I don't think age should be a major problem.
posted By Jason Fleming, 27 July 2008 4:49:00 PM
I'm shocked - Over five thousand reads and 18 comments, and no one else thinks Portland is two spots too low? Or at least one?
posted By JimB, 27 July 2008 4:57:36 PM
Travis, I don't like the Lakers at #1. However I do like them at #3. You fail to mention a huge issue With Bynum and his looming $80,000,000 contract extension, this is sure to be a detraction. Remember when Shaq demanded his max contract? Furthermore, Do you really anticipate the Lakers to raise the salary for the 2008 / 2009 to at least 85 million? It is highly probable that Kobe will ETO next year, sign a 5 year contract and have one more max contract deal available. (36 and older clause of the CBA) The oft dysfunctional Laker family are sure to have some drama this year. I also like the Clippers at 8, the Management of the Nuggets are poisoning the team with subversive rumors and deals.
posted By PtownBlazer1, 27 July 2008 5:22:36 PM
Let me be the first...Portland should be around 7 or 8. Denver with the loss of Camby...who do they have for a big man, Kleiza? I'm sorry, Denver made a huge mistake in dealing away Camby for a second rounder, good one! I would'nt be surprised if my Blazers do better than the 7 or 8 seed but also won't be shocked if we miss the playoffs by a few games... GO BLAZERS!
posted By VIDA_LOVER, 27 July 2008 5:40:26 PM
THE LAKERS OWN THE WEST WERE GONNA WIN IT ALL IN 08-09 SEASON. BYNUM GASOL BRYANT. HOPEFULLY WE STILL HAVE ODOM. OH & THE SUNS SHOULD BE 9 NUGGETS 7 PORTLAND 8. LAKERS #1. BRING IT BACK 2 L.A.
posted By Don, 27 July 2008 6:19:54 PM
I like the pick for Portland at 9. Since this ranking is comletely meaningless, let everyone keep thinking that Portland is a borderline playoff team. I love it. I'm not sure LA gets to the finals this year. As far as owning the West, they had better do something this year if they are to do it at all. Otherwise, they'll be running up against a seasoned Portland team who has far more talent.
posted By HTown, 27 July 2008 7:05:48 PM
Thunder DWayde,WShaq,Posey,Williams,Walker etc could all hit the 3 and spread the court just like the old Htown team with Drexler and the year wiithout him but Boston set the standard this year when they bought the title. I also believe Houston can match up with LA this year I cant wait till November!
posted By Bill Ingram, 27 July 2008 10:28:02 PM
OK, Jason - I'll say it. Portland is 2 spots too low . . .
posted By Sod, 27 July 2008 10:57:08 PM
Portland finished this season 3-1 against Utah without Oden, Fernandez, or Bayless, (and also Aldrdige for 1 or 2 games). Denver doesn't play defense, and I highly doubt they make it into the playoffs unless they're able to get another center. As long as Portland can get into the playoffs, presuming they have another good year against Utah and win the NW division, doesn't that mean they'll leapfrog Utah in the playoff seeding? I could be wrong, but if a team wins their division, doesn't that automatically give them a top 4 seeding, regardless of their record? The point is, Portland is too low on this list. They'll be a playoff team this year for sure. Without the division ranking, I'd put them between 6 and 8.
posted By Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 11:20:12 PM
Wow! Over 8,000 views and apparently far too many folks are drinking the Portland kool-aid. Could they make the playoffs? Sure. But it's far from a certainty. What empirical evidence has Portland given us to believe they are as good as many of you are saying they are? If you take out their winning streak last season, the Blazers were a below average team in the Western Conference the rest of the campaign and weren't even in the playoff race the last six weeks of the season. Maybe the Blazers will make the playoffs in 2008-09, but to imply the Blazers are without a doubt a playoff team next season is one hell of a stretch.
posted By Joseph, 28 July 2008 12:03:27 AM
Everyone is comparing AI and Melo to BD and Thornton and obviously Denver would be better. However, if you compare the whole Clippers starting 5 to the Nuggets starting 5... The Clippers are definitely better. Also, don't forget that the Nuggets does not play defense
posted By Travis Heath, 28 July 2008 12:25:16 AM
The irony is, of course, that Marcus Camby who the Clipper fans are all raving about was the "defensive anchor" of that Nuggets team that played no defense.
posted By BL, 28 July 2008 1:04:00 AM
this guy was talking about how PORTLAND needs a veteran to get into the playoffs... and on the other hand talks about how the SUNS have all these old guys... go FIGURE... and ever since the SUNS gave up joe johnson and all the other player, they have doubted the SUNS in getting a higher seed than 6... and just 2 say the truth... we might not have won a single TITLE, but every year since nash has been here, we've had a chance at a title every year... its always 1 thing that changes the course of the game... '07-'08- Duncan hits a 3-point that saved the spurs asses... '06-'07- Amare is suspended (and STERN didnt try to use common sense, when during last years playoffs he used common sense during the CELTICSvHAWKS series when an altercation went down players from both benches got off there seats and got onto the court to watch, and he said he didnt want to suspend them because he used "common sense")... is it just me or does he hate the SUNS... '05-'06- Amare had his two knee surgeries and we still got to the WCF... '04-'05- Spurs broke Joe Johnsons nose and he sat out the series '03-'04- no playoffs, steve wasnt here...
posted By The Spurs set the Tone, 28 July 2008 1:12:28 AM
I'm a Spurs fan all the way and strongly agree they will be a major contender next year because their youth will be a strong punch off the bench however the Hornets diserve to take that second place spot.. I didn't read who wrote this article but regarding the Hornets... I heard no mention of David West?!?!?! with West, Paul, Peja, Chandler and Posy starting.. any team in the NBA should be very scared including Boston and the Lakers.
posted By Wineaux, 28 July 2008 7:46:12 AM
The Portland Kool-aid is very inviting. The rose city roster is packed with talent. One of their players will have to break into an All-star- top ten calliber stud in order for them to make the playoffs. I could see their GM consolodating talent in the next two years. If they were to ship off two or three great young players they could get a bonifide bad ass to make them elite. Very good list. Lakers and Hornets are at the head of the curve IMO, followed by Jazz, and Spurs. Suns and Mavericks have their work cut out for them to maintain their playoff stint. Spurs will be in there, boring but inevitable.
posted By John, 28 July 2008 9:42:44 AM
How on earth do you have Houston and Dallas over Phoenix?
posted By Blazer's, 28 July 2008 11:37:05 AM
Travis Heath Blazers starting lineup: Greg Oden Lamarcus Aldridge Martel Webster Brandon Roy Jerryd Bayless Blazers first off the Bench lineup: Joel Pryzbilla Channing Frye/or Ike Diagu Travis Outlaw Rudy Fernandez Steve Blake How can you not have them in the playoffs? And as far as your comment about the streak last year.... Once games are played you can't take them back, so the streak stays.
posted By Travis Heath, 28 July 2008 12:46:42 PM
BL, there's a difference between a veteran in the prime of his career and veterans that are clearly over the hill like Shaq. As for David West, I was going under the assumption that he would be an All-Star. My point is that Peja and/or Tyson have to play like All-Stars for the Hornets to win the Western Conference. John, I have Houston and Dallas over Phoenix because I think both teams will finish with a better record than the Suns. Pretty simple, really. Finally, for "Blazer's," Portland may make the playoffs, but simply reciting their lineup is not a valid argument for why they will get in. I know who is on the team, and that alone proves nothing. Thanks for reading, everyone.
posted By Joseph, 28 July 2008 1:07:25 PM
I meant other than Camby that is. He was the only one really commited on playing defense on that old Denver team.
posted By Joseph, 28 July 2008 1:10:26 PM
I didn't notice that the comment was cut-off.
posted By unleasHell, 28 July 2008 1:53:30 PM
Hey guys, the writers was basing his analysis mostly on historical data and moves made over the summer. Fans of specific Teams thinking their Team is better than this Team or that is both admirable and laughable. That being said, I see no reason for the Lakers actually being WEAKER next season, so hope all you want, beat your hand on your chests, relive players former glories (Shaq & Kidd), but in the end the Lakers will be there again. I would not be so bold as to say they will do any better against the Celtics though...
posted By LaAllDay, 28 July 2008 2:43:51 PM
Whoever said "bynum's contract extension would be a distraction" and related it to Shaq having an issue when he was in the organization, is way off base. First and foremost, Bynum's ego is not even remotely close to Shaq's. And then to say Lamar's production will go down??? How? He won't get pounded by other pf's in the west, and will be a nightmare to defend in the post when he's up against sf's. Our offense will continue to be the same, if not more potent, but most importantly with Bynum coming back, he improves our defense, and will also allow Pau's soft butt to go back to playing his natural pf position. There's no such thing as a distraction in lala land, it's la, they're used to it lol. So get used to it, we're here for awhile, how can we drop off, does anyone remember how we RAN through the western conference in the playoffs last year??
posted By MH381, 28 July 2008 2:56:07 PM
I can't wait for the season to start already! With that said, I love seeing these doubters of the Lakers. lol It's cool not to like em, but to come up with all these theories as to why they're not going to take the west just because of your hate towards them is hillarious. Stop trying to analyze every little detail and just recognize and respect a real powerhouse when you see one.
posted By JMONEY, 28 July 2008 3:37:29 PM
Travis, you are living in LALA Land! (aka. LA Dreaming!) Come back to reality like LA is gonna have to. There team is going to be exploited next year by there lack of D. I believe that the Hornets would have beaten the Lakers had they made it to the WC Finals last season, but there inexperience kept them out. Now they are a year wiser and a Posey better. They have done the most of any WC power house to get better. I see NO as the #1 team in the West and LA #2. But Portland is Playoff bound. Book it! This ranking is gonna hurt your credibility. Seriously.
posted By thevolv, 28 July 2008 5:09:32 PM
"Stop trying to analyze every little detail and just recognize and respect a real powerhouse when you see one." -MH381 Classic laker fan logic. "Don't pay attention to details, just crown the lakers now, because, well... their the lakers!" I'll give you that the lakers will make the playoffs next year. They'll probably even be a top 4/5 seed. But, they are far from a lock for a top 1 or 2 seed. With Odom moving to SF (seriously, watch out laker fans); Bynum's knee (that was supposed to be ready for Playoff-time, but is just now allowing him to practice some); kobe's ability to alienate his entire team if/when they struggle for a couple weeks; and the fact that their overrated bench played absolutely OUT OF THEIR MIND last year (which WON'T happen again); you have the recipe for a potential let-down. Long story short, sure the lakers are good, but they have just as many question marks (if not more) than any of the other top teams. PS: Portland WILL make the playoffs. While they might not have been in the "playoff race" at the end of last year, they were playing JUST as hard as any playoff team, as they battled to get to .500. They not only have talent, but they have heart. That alone will push them ahead of Denver (although I think they'd be just fine on pure talent, too).
posted By Sod, 28 July 2008 5:21:04 PM
Empirical Evidence? Try reading this again. Portland finished this season 3-1 against Utah without Oden, Fernandez, or Bayless, (and also Aldrdige for 1 or 2 games). Denver doesn't play defense, and I highly doubt they make it into the playoffs unless they're able to get another center. As long as Portland can get into the playoffs, presuming they have another good year against Utah and win the NW division, doesn't that mean they'll leapfrog Utah in the playoff seeding? I could be wrong, but if a team wins their division, doesn't that automatically give them a top 4 seeding, regardless of their record? The point is, Portland is too low on this list. They'll be a playoff team this year for sure. Without the division ranking, I'd put them between 6 and 8. posted by Travis Heath, 27 July 2008 11:20:12 PM Wow! Over 8,000 views and apparently far too many folks are drinking the Portland kool-aid. Could they make the playoffs? Sure. But it's far from a certainty. What empirical evidence has Portland given us to believe they are as good as many of you are saying they are? If you take out their winning streak last season, the Blazers were a below average team in the Western Conference the rest of the campaign and weren't even in the playoff race the last six weeks of the season. Maybe the Blazers will make the playoffs in 2008-09, but to imply the Blazers are without a doubt a playoff team next season is one hell of a stretch. My opinion of how the Blazers will do has NOTHING to do with a 13 game win streak. It has everything to do with how they handled Utah (the only real playoff threat in the NW division) during the regular season without key players in Oden, Aldridge partially, Fernandez and Bayless. The average improvement for a team with the addition for a #1 pick is equated into 11 more wins. I'm low-balling that due to the fact that Portland had a pretty decent season at 41. I'd say the addition of a healthy Oden by himself should be worth about 6-8 wins on this team. Add the further progress of Roy, Aldridge, Outlaw, Webster, the incoming Fernandez and Bayless; it is concievable that this team could see a 10-12 improvement in the win column, thus making them a playoff team. As I said before, winning the NW division would put them at the #4 spot unless someone can prove me wrong on that point. Either way, you can't just right people off as being ignorant when you are working solely on conjecture for this "story."
posted By Travis Heath, 28 July 2008 6:37:26 PM
Sod, the winning streak has everything to do with it considering you keep bringing up Utah and two of those three victories against the Jazz came during the streak. Portland got hot and Utah caught them at a bad time. Simple as that. In fact, you fail to mention that Utah was the team that ended the winning streak. Moreover, the four matchups between the Jazz and the Blazers were really a scheduling quirk of sorts considering all four meetings took place in less than one month's time (Dec. 11th-Jan 5th) when Utah was playing their worst basketball of the season. Only in the final matchup was Kyle Korver a part of the team, and he hadn't yet fully integrated himself into the lineup at that point. I'll say it again... COULD the Blazers make the playoffs? Yes, but leap frogging them up to the fourth seed simply by looking at the win-loss record against Utah and not fully considering the context of those matchups is not enough to convince me.
posted By I AM Tripp Dubb, 28 July 2008 6:39:07 PM
If the Rockets had Yao last year they wouldve challenged the Lakers for the west.When they got everything together they won 20 games,20 games straight without Yao!If Im the gm Im saying could we have won 30 with Yao?Maybe the Rockets improved supporting cast will help them win it all next year.It obviously helped them last year when Yao went down.They certainly have the defense and all they needed was a couple players to produce on a as needed basis.As needed when Yao or Mcgrady arent clicking.I think the Rockets will be within the 1-3 seed next year.Believe!I am a Cavs fan btw so no bias favortism.
posted By Don, 28 July 2008 6:52:12 PM
Travis, do you think another year of experience for Portland makes them better or worse from last year? Does the addition of Greg Oden make Portland better or worse? Will he be an upgrade over Pryzbilla? How many games would you estimate he brings from the "L" column over to the "W"? What about Rudy Fernandez? Does his addition help the Blazers this season in any way? Portland stole Bayless. He dominated Summer league, and while I concede that Summer league is nothing at all like the NBA season is going to be, there can be little doubt about his ability to contribute at the highest level. His athletic ability is off the charts. Will Bayless make Portland better or worse than they were last year? Webster AND Outlaw are reported to have vastly imrpoved their games in the off season. Do you suppose that will help or hurt Portland? With all of the above, how can we not assume Portland is at least 10+ games better this year than last? Personally I believe 10 wins is conservative. Oden alone will bring that many.
posted By Travis Heath, 28 July 2008 7:28:49 PM
All fair points, Don (although I think you comment about Outlaw and Webster is a stretch and unverifiable). That said, there is no way to quantify what you said into some kind of measurable formula which will tell us how many more games Portland will win next season. The Blazers don't exist in a vacuum. Other teams are getting better, too, and the Blazers will be playing in quite possibly the toughest conference the NBA has ever known next season. Could they win 10+ additional games in 2008-09? Sure, but I'm reminded of what an NBA coach told me a couple of years ago. He said something to the effect of it's easy to go from a lottery team to 40 wins but much harder to go from 40 wins to 50 wins. And when you consider how good the West will be next year, such a statement is that much more magnified.
posted By sod, 28 July 2008 10:17:44 PM
You think that the only reason Portland beat Utah was due to a scheduling anomaly? Really? I fail to see your reasoning behind that. Don't get me wrong, Utah is a great team, and they got a lot better with Korver. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that Portland finished the year 3-1 against them. If you want to dismiss the 13 game win streak, fine, but you're glazing over the reality of the history leading into this season. Utah ended the streak (which happened to be the second night of a back-to-back for Portland, and they were playing without Nate McMillan on the side lines), and the last game they played, Portland won. All that aside, in my first post, I posed a question to an "expert," which instead of getting a coherent answer; I was met with sarcastic dismissal. I realize you guys are busy, and obviously inundated with rude and/or ignorant posts, but it's up to you to keep it professional. I apologize for my pigheadedness on the issue, and I do hope that in the future, you'll remember this when fans start getting to you.
posted By Travis Heath, 28 July 2008 10:25:26 PM
Sod, no need to apologize. This is what we're here for. The whole idea is to pose a question and let people ponder it and then give their takes. I have never taken anything anyone has ever said to me in this forum personal. My job is to entertain and hopefully spark some fire in people. Based on the number of hits and comments associated with this article I would say I did my job. Of course, I couldn't do my job without people like you reading and chiming in with their own thoughts. Just because I don't agree with you on this point doesn't mean I don't appreciate what you bring to the HOOPSWORLD coummunity. Your passion is much appreciated and always welcome here... especially when we disagree. :)
posted By Phil, 29 July 2008 12:18:24 AM
Dallas and Phoenix sold the farm last year and will fight for their playoff lives. Denver gave up the ghost entirely and their bull-fighter ole defense will drop them out of the playoffs entirely. Portland will benefit the most and jump all three into the playoffs in the sixth spot. The Clippers just don't have a complete enough team and the Warriors don't have any clutch players, but both will jump over the Nuggets and fight to boot aging Phoenix and Dallas out of 7 and 8. But in the end, Phoenix and Dallas have the experience to hang onto the last two spots. The Spurs are getting older. They'll make noise in the playoffs and could win it all, but they're too old to stay in the top three for a long regular season and drop to 4th or 5th. OKC is better than rated here, but Sac, Minn, Memphis and OKC are all out of it with Denver barely staying above that group. Golden State will surprise and finish ahead of the Clips, but fall just short of the playoffs.
posted By Phil, 29 July 2008 12:33:53 AM
A couple more comments: It's not that Portland is that improved - the west isn't as deep this year and 45 wins makes the playoffs. Portland improves and goes above that... Phoenix, Dallas, Denver and GSW all win fewer games than last year. Also, if Dallas loses Josh Howard or has any injuries, they don't make the playoffs. The clips won't stay healthy enough to win 44. The Nuggets can stay healthy and not get close to 44. Don't be surprised if Phoenix, Dallas and Denver ALL drop out of the playoffs.
posted By Don, 29 July 2008 1:50:03 AM
Travis, you concede that I made some great points but then dismiss them by saying "there is no way to quantify what you said into some kind of measurable formula which will tell us how many more games Portland will win next season." Travis, this entire article is speculative. There is "no way to quantify what you said into some kind of measurable formula which will tell us how many games (anyone) will win next season." That's what we're all doing here...speculating. But some speculation makes a little more sense than other speculation. That's why Portland has to be in the Playoffs in any reasonable projected finish.
posted By Don, 29 July 2008 2:01:26 AM
One more thing...I'm going to say it here...boldly. Portland is going to be an infinitely better team this year than last. They will be far stronger at every position than last year. Center - Oden will be one of the best centers, if not the best center in the NBA for years PForward - LaMarcus is going to benefit tremendously from the play of Oden. In fact, he will probably benefit more than anyone else. LaMarcus was very good last year and was still very young. He is going to be incredible this year. Watch. SForward - Webster / Outlaw - Webster is going to shoot over 38% from distance and will have times where he dominates the game. Outlaw will stand out as one of the best over all SFs in the league. PG - Bayless (Blake) - Blake will be steady for the first half, then Bayless will get more starts. He will average 15 ppg and 5 assists as a rookie. But he will become a defensive gem, closing off the opposing PG. 2G - Brandon Roy - What can you say about him? He is a perennial all-star. When he tires, we simply bring in Rudy Fernandez who can light it up with the best of them. Bench - 8-9 players deep give the Blazers one of the best rotations in the leage. Coaching - McMillan will get the most out of these guys. He is going to help them become veterans this year. Keep in mind, three of our best five players didn't even play one minute last year for Portland. This team will be scary good. Blazers to the NBA semi finals - watch out!
posted By I AM Tripp Dubb, 29 July 2008 9:37:40 AM
Hey Travis,I respect your opinions as a writer and they usually are agreeable.I think they are pretty much solid with this article besides a few minor disagreements that I have.Its still a solid opinion I think though which is all these preseason rankings are anyway.I definitely dont disagree with you putting the Nuggets and Suns in front of the Blazers.All they really have done was added Oden and Bayless to the roster.Bayless had a great summer league but so did Nate Robinson.I love Nate Robinson but you get my point.He wasnt even among the top in his draft class so the summer league doesnt mean that much.I will say that Portland has a huge chance to knock someone off and the most likely team would be Denver.I actually have the Blazers finishing before the Nuggets but thats just my opinion.Im not going to tell you you should put the Blazers ahead of the Nuggets because for one its real close and the Blazers have to prove they can be in the playoffs.I think the San Antonio Spurs will fall a couple spots.I dont think Roger Mason is going to keep them afloat.Duncan is getting older and they need some youngsters on the roster to provide energy.I think the Lakers really struggle against teams with top defenses.Check the records for yourself and compare theirs to Boston's when they played top 10 defenses.I think you'll find why Boston was the better team.For one they had better defense but to me they had a more effective offense even against top defenses.The Lakers will be in the 1-3 range.I dont care where you put the Clippers or Warriors because neither one will make the playoffs.I wouldnt have the Mavs ahead of the Suns or the Jazz ahead of the Rockets.The Jazz probably wouldnt even had beat Houston if Rafer Alston was healthy even without Yao.Im just interested to see the Rockets play with Yao and McGrady with their new supporting cast.Or I hope that Yao goes down again so the Rockets get in rebuilding mode and trade McGrady to the Cavs for expiring contracts lol!
posted By Travis Heath, 29 July 2008 10:48:28 AM
All fair points, Trip Dubb. I see what you're saying about San Antonio, but I think the Spurs will add at least one more young piece before the summer is over. And as I said, as long as they have Parker, Manu and Timmy, that team will be a contender every year. Could the Suns or the Rockets move up a spot or two as you said? It wouldn't shock me. I think they are generally slotted pretty close to where they will be, though. Don... what can I say, man? I love your passion. I also like how you and your Blazer counterparts are willing to put your necks out there and predict a fourth seed and/or a WC Semi-Finals appearance. Everything would have to go perfect for this to happen for Portland, though. It's possible, but if Portland gets in, I still think it's as a seven seed at best. At the end of the day, you're right this is all speculative. I just think it can be a dangerous game to try and predict the exact number of wins a player or combination of players will equal for a team. I'm an Oden fan, but I think he's going to start very slowly. He could be a dominant center in the future no doubt, but the dude hasn't played in an actual game (practice doesn't count) in well over a year. It's hard for anyone to get their timing back and start firing on all cylinders again right away. Also, his offensive game was raw coming out of Ohio State and a year away from the game likely won't help matters in that department. It's going to take some time, brother.
posted By peteinsalem, 29 July 2008 11:59:17 AM
Hey Travis, I was just reading through the comments and I have to ask you something: You said this in one of your comments: "If you take out their winning streak last season, the Blazers were a below average team in the Western Conference"...I'm just curious, couldn't the same be said for Houston and their win streak? The only difference was the time of the year that it happened, right?
posted By Travis Heath, 29 July 2008 12:34:27 PM
Fair enough, peteinsaleem. However, magnitude and timing are both factors to consider here. The Blazers won 13 straight games while the Rockets won 22. The Blazers' streak was nice but far from epic. The Rockets' streak, on the other hand, was the second longest winning streak in the history of the Association. Seems to me there is a bit of a difference there. The other difference is WHEN the streaks happened. The Rockets kept their streak going when Yao went down to ensure they would get a playoff berth whereas Portland's streak happened early in the season and the team then faded coming down the stretch. Just my 2 cents...
posted By HTown, 29 July 2008 12:44:12 PM
Yeah Peteinsalem, that's the same crap Kenny Smith was saying on Inside the NBA is that Huston streak was like Portland, aint no way it's the same and 10 more wins for my Rockets after Yao went out for the season.My Rockets swept Portland last year and I expect the same results in the head 2 head this year.I am tripp Dubb I sure hope Lebron gets his ankle broke so Cleveland can feel the pain we had to endure.
posted By Travis Heath, 29 July 2008 1:10:18 PM
Come on now, Htown. No one wants to see a superstar (or anyone for that matter) get hurt regardless of which team you root for. It's bad for the game. Besides, don't you want your Rockets to have to beat everyone at their best if they do indeed go all the way as you are hoping they will?
posted By Htown, 29 July 2008 1:52:08 PM
You are right Travis, I dont really want to see Lebron get hurt I just didnt like the statement made about wanted Yao to go down again.If everyone is healthy there's no excuses
posted By thunder, 29 July 2008 11:12:16 PM
i guess you should update the rankings, houston just moved into the top 3 with the artest trade.if the rockets don't make west finals its a major disapointment.
posted By Phil, 30 July 2008 2:43:42 AM
Houston moves into the top 4 with Artest. San Antonio moves out. Lakers, Hornets, Rockets, Jazz will be the top four, but could finish in any order. Spurs are pretty much alone at 5, but won't compete during the regular season. They're too old. But watch out at playoff time. Young teams fade and Portland did last year, but they're a year older and they know how to win. Their win total last year might be enough to make the playoffs this year and they will win a few more games. They are improved at every position. The fun will be the mad scramble for 7 and 8. Phoenix is a year older and more tired. They also are in a style transition losing Dantoni. They will struggle to get 44 wins. Dallas is the same. They never clicked after the trade and almost missed the playoffs last year and they are definitely worse this year. They'll fight to stay above 500. Denver can't stop anyone and won't compete and won't win even half their games. The Warriors are hugely improved on defense and depth, but don't have any leader or clutch player. If someone takes charge of the team and Nellie gets them to play together they win 44 and steal the 8th spot. If Baron stays healthy, the Clippers can win 45 and have some fun bumping off Dallas and the Warriors. That's the three team race for 8 and Phoenix could drop into this group. Minnesota and OKC improve the most at the expense of Denver and Sac and may pass them but don't compete for a playoff spot. Memphis is still terrible and getting worse as the Wests doormat.
posted By Chuck, 30 July 2008 3:13:10 AM
1. Los Angeles- Best in West last year and they add Bynum. 2. New Orleans- Ascending team that will improve organically for next three years. 3. San Antonio- As long as they have the big 3, the rest of the roster is interchangable. 4. Utah- D. Williams is the real deal, and Sloan is a top 3 coach. 5. Houston- If you knew they would be healthy, then they would be top 2, but you know they wont. 6. Phoenix- Terry Porter is an underrated young coach, and with Nash and Amare they still have two superstars. 7. Portland- Too much young talent that is highly motivated. 8. Dallas- Carlisle can coach and Nowitski can play, so that will get them in to the playoffs. 9. Denver- Another George Karl team ready to implode. 10. LA Clippers- They'll be better, but Baron Davis will not be as effective without the Golden St. system. 11. Sacramento- They will be tough at home still. 12. Golden St.- Mullin will use Nellie as a scapegoat and fire him before the end of the season. 13. Minnesota- Tough interior players, but very poor on the perimeter even with Mike Miller. 14. Oklahoma City- Durant will be improved, but not much around him. 15. Memphis- Young talent that will not play well together under Iavaroni.
posted By I AM Tripp Dubb, 30 July 2008 9:32:24 AM
The comment I made about Yao was a sarcastic comment and scenario that would allow Lebron to add McGrady for the mediocre pieces that we have as trade assets.I actually said I wanted to see Yao and T Mac play together as I had them at 2nd on my preseason rankings.Now that they acquired Artest my prediction stands even stronger.However if Lebron did hurt himself it would be good for the critics.All this talk about how the Cavs supporting cast is so great but I bet you we'd barely win 1 game without Lebron.Maybe that would let them know that Lebron doesnt have a supporting cast or another star like the Suns or Rockets have.It also may give us a chance to land a top pick since we barely have any other way to get a contributor.Do I want it to happen?Absolutely not.Will it be the end of the world if it did?No because we'd be guaranteed a lottery pick and we'd be even stronger next year.Kind of like the Celtics story you know?Star player goes down,get high draft pick,make a trade,star player returns,title contenders.By the way at least when Yao went down you did have McGrady and hope.If Lebron went down most people in my town who arent real basketball fans would stop watching the Cavs.
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